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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:52 PM
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MSNBC: Spying, the Constitution ---- and the I-word (Impeachment)
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 04:54 PM by UpInArms
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561966/

WASHINGTON - In the first weeks and months after 9/11, I am told by a very good source, there was a lot of wishing out loud in the White House Situation Room about expanding the National Security Agency’s ability to instantly monitor phone calls and e-mails between American callers and possible terror suspects abroad. “We talked a lot about how useful that would be,” said this source, who was “in the room” in the critical period after the attacks.

Well, as the world now knows, the NSA — at the prompting of Vice President Cheney and on official (secret) orders from President Bush — was doing just that. And yet, as I understand it, many of the people in the White House’s own Situation Room — including leaders of the national security adviser’s top staff and officials of the FBI — had no idea that it was happening.

As best I can tell — and this really isn’t my beat — the only people who knew about the NSA’s new (and now so controversial) warrant-less eavesdropping program early on were Bush, Cheney, NSA chief Michael Hayden, his top deputies, top leaders of the CIA, and lawyers at the Justice Department and the White House counsel’s office hurriedly called in to sprinkle holy water on it.

Which presents the disturbing image of the White House as a series of nesting dolls, with Cheney-Bush at the tiny secret center, sifting information that most of the rest of the people around them didn’t even know existed. And that image, in turn, will dominate and define the year 2006 — and, I predict, make it the angriest, most divisive season of political theater since the days of Richard Nixon.

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For months now, I have been getting e-mails demanding that my various employers (Newsweek, NBC News and MSNBC.com) include in their poll questionnaires the issue of whether Bush should be impeached. They used to demand this on the strength of the WMD issue, on the theory that the president had “lied us into war.” Now the Bush foes will base their case on his having signed off on the NSA’s warrant-less wiretaps. He and Cheney will argue his inherent powers and will cite Supreme Court cases and the resolution that authorized him to make war on the Taliban and al-Qaida. They will respond by calling him Nixon 2.0 and have already hauled forth no less an authority than John Dean to testify to the president’s dictatorial perfidy. The “I-word” is out there, and, I predict, you are going to hear more of it next year — much more.

...more at link...
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 04:58 PM
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1. VOTE, its now 86% yes and should be even higher.
What took so long?????
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:17 PM
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2. 158665
and rising!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:19 PM
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3. Howie has made an excellent point on security vs the Constitution..
George swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. The upholding of the Constitution trumps the anemic attempts of enhancing national security by this administration.

The motto "Live Free or Die" and the Zapatista saying that it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees both reflect that point.

There is our answer to the wail from Bushies that he is just providing for our security. We don't need George's nanny government to take away our freedoms and civil rights to "protect" us from a bogyman of his own devising.
...

"We are entering a dark time in which the central argument advanced by each party is going to involve accusing the other party of committing what amounts to treason. Democrats will accuse the Bush administration of destroying the Constitution; Republicans will accuse the Dems of destroying our security.

Some thoughts on where all of this is headed:

The president says that his highest duty is to protect the American people and our homeland. And it is true that, as commander-in-chief, he has sweeping powers to, as his oath says, “faithfully execute the office” of president. But the entity he swore to “preserve, protect and defend” isn’t the homeland per se — but the Constitution itself."
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:38 PM
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4. I would have never guessed that Howie wrote the above. My My My
That's a little axis shift! Sounds like he has decided he better getting on the side of the bandwagon which means GE has? Fineman is a loyal GE mouthpiece and WH propagandist on behalf of GE.

And the vote only has 8% saying a definite NO. I know it is only an internet poll - but it sure doesn't reflect the usual 27-37% hard cover Repub lemmings.
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