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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:18 AM
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New York Times (1 hr.ago): Another Kennedy(Censored due to NYT bad taste)
The NYT’s piece on RFK Jr. has an inflammatory headline. If you follow the link, and agree (it’s so obvious), let the Public Editor know. He’s a decent guy. Public@NYTimes.com. In the profile, typist Liebovich puts down Kennedy’s recent work on election fraud in Rolling Stone.


Another Kennedy (Censored due to stunning
bad taste on the part of the New York Times)


By MARK LEIBOVICH
Published: June 25, 2006
San Francisco
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/fashion/25bobby.html?ex=1151380800&en=060a7f802801dfd8&ei=5087%0A

Now 52, Mr. Kennedy, is one of the country's most prominent environmental lawyers and advocates. Clearly he was traumatized by his youthful act of environmental insensitivity and vowed as an adult to become a fervent protector of all the planet's salamanders. Or perhaps this is overreaching, seeing too much in a simple picture. (Sometimes a dead salamander is just a dead salamander). But it goes with the family territory — the speculating, overguessing — and it would seem particularly inevitable for anyone burrowing through life with the name Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Mr. Kennedy presided last week at the annual conference of the Waterkeeper Alliance, an assembly of 153 "keepers" from around the world charged with protecting the planet's most vulnerable watersheds, largely through litigation or threat thereof. On Wednesday the riverkeepers, baykeepers, coastkeepers, deltakeepers, channelkeepers and inletkeepers packed into three zero-emission hybrid-electric buses bound for Treasure Island on San Francisco Bay. There they ate dinner on biodegradable plates and took turns giving brief speeches. They spoke with earnest commitment, contempt for industrial polluters and awe for Bobby Kennedy.

<snip>

Recently, much of Mr. Kennedy's public focus has been on democracy, and he has taken increasingly audacious leaps into political swamps that transcend the environment. He roiled the blogosphere and cable news shows this month after declaring — in an article he wrote in Rolling Stone — that Republicans stole the 2004 presidential election through a series of voting frauds. "I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004," Mr. Kennedy wrote in the exhaustive, strenuously footnoted article, which relied heavily on the published research of others.

<snip>

Farhad Manjoo, of Salon.com, wrote: "If you do read the Kennedy article, be prepared to machete your way through numerous errors of interpretation and his deliberate omission of key bits of data."*


* For a complete refutation Salon.Com & Manjoo See: here and here


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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:24 AM
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1. What is wrong with the words 'living dangerously'?
how is that in bad taste?
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:30 AM
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2. I think it infers he's out on a limb saying something so controversial.
That's how I took it anyway.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:52 AM
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19. You know the thought that flashed through my mind?
JFK & RFK lived dangerously too. They went against the tide and look what happened to them.

Do you think this was written as a threat?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:11 AM
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22. hell YES it is a threat. it's also a ref to JFK Jr. .
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:18 AM
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24. Shouldn't someone send this to the CIA?
No, not the CIA, Cheney has them in their pocket. The FBI? No, they let the bin Ladens flee the country without interrogating them. The Pentagon? Nope. The State Department? Hell, no. The State police? The local police? Nope and Nope.

Hey, do you think we can outsource the job to Scotland yard?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:37 AM
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3. See below
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 01:38 AM by autorank
Dear Mr. Calme:

The allusion to another Kennedy death ("living dangerously" = risks = death; allusion to the film of the same name where the protagonist died) is simply disgusting. Why don't you let the author of this have it. Given the assassinations and tragic death that has plagued the Kennedy family, this sort of sophomoric headline is completely out of line.

Thanks for your ongoing good work.

(I lived through these murders and deaths. I'm in no mood to hear a punk NYT reporter be cute about
it, and that's exactly what's going on here.)
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:41 AM
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4. It could also be a veiled threat
That something like what happened to his father might just happen to him if he doesn't watch what he says.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:46 AM
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5. Exactly.
Like he's flirting with assassination by questioning where Bush/Cheney got their votes, which, of course, he is.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:12 AM
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23. precisely
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:47 AM
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6. That's what really pissed me off. I'm just stunned that this crap
could get by an editor with an ounce of taste or common decency.

Who the hell do they think they are at NYT. It's truly a new low for the
Judith Miller Fan Club.

Write the public@NYTimes.com guy. He's very good at going after BS there.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:34 AM
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17. There isn't enough fish sold in this country
to put the NYT to proper use. Or to cover the smell.
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AndreaCG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:00 AM
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21. I wrote a LTTE too
Which of course will not be printed, but at least it adds to the total count of negative reaction so they should print some criticism of the article.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:26 AM
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25. Yup.
A subtle warning not to push things too far, or else.....
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:04 AM
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7. It's a dangerous thing when you seek the truth. Courage of a patriot...
These people are beyond contempt. That headline is an outrage!:grr:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:04 AM
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15. That's the spirit...send the NYT a "fooj" gram...
Public@NYTimes.com (the Public Editor is a good guy but speak you mind young lady;)
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:07 AM
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8. You're right. Recommended. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:54 AM
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12. As are your links!!!
100% Correct!

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:08 AM
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9. He rafts every year in the wilds of Patagonia. . .
plays football games in the family compound that involve hundreds of people and regularly result in trips to the emergency room; enjoys high speed, dangerous pursuits such as skiing and hockey; is recovering from involvement with heroin; and he's fighting corporate interests over the environment and entrenched political interests over allegations of voter fraud -- I'd say the headline accurately reflects the viewpoint of the article.

Personally, I believe Mr Kennedy's safety is more threatened by his work with Waterkeeper Alliance than it is his allegations about the election -- at least, that would be my impression at present. But then, everyone's entiitled to an opinion.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:46 AM
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18. The headline is literally accurate. And the words together
sum to more than their literal meaning.

Kennedy violated a big taboo with that article. Mark Crispin Miller did with his book -- which they tried to black out in the media. Mr. Conyers hearings on Ohio 2004 underwent the same treatment. Debra Bowen in California is now enjoying the first media assaults in response to her broaching the topic. And of course, Kevin Shelley was smeared out of office here for de certifying Diebold.

Kennedy knew what he was taking on. The NYT is just delivering what we knew was coming as far as I'm concerned. They have always protected the corporatists against social justice. That's their job.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:10 AM
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10. Asshole should be terminated, immediately. Should be spat upon,....
,...ridiculed, demeaned, thrown out on his ass and the doors locked.

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!!

I am,....

This shit's gotta' stop!!!!

Time to whip and demean those who have no scruples, no decency,...those who prove they possess none of the noble qualities of humanity.

It's sick!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:01 AM
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14. This is what they're messing with. The NYT is a punk operation.
They lie aboutIraq, create the consensus with the lying Judith Miller and they don't fire her.
This punk reporter thinks he's cute but lets make sure this is a BIG NEGATIVE on his record,
bust his ass.

Now, here's a great memory. Disrespect by NYT or Salon.Com or anybody cannot touch this:

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:14 AM
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11. nm nt
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 02:15 AM by BullGooseLoony
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Larry Bergan Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:01 AM
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13. I have the utmost respect for Kennedy!
It seems to me that this was not the time for a human interest story about Kennedy as opposed to an opportunity to get out the corruption story people are going to be talking about for centuries. Come on NYT, get with it! I'm an Optician, not a journalist, and I can see the importance of this!
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:17 AM
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16. It's not just the headline that's bad - the opening 4 paragraphs are
horrid, and pretty much irrelevant. A pretty pathetic way to open an article.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:54 AM
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20. Thank you Larry David! nt
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:32 AM
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26. My take: Finally the NYT has uttered the unutterable: Election Fraud
Sure, they largely skated over RFKJR's findings...and gave Fathead Manjoo a bullhorn (again?!) but they DID FINALLY RUN AN ARTICLE ON THE 2004 OHIO ELECTION THEFT!

The longest journey begins with a single step.

Remember Folks, this topic has been entirely VERBOTEN-- off limits-- except for the occasional comic 'gee ain't they crazy on the internets' article, since November 2004. Someone had to fight hard against the many Rove-intimidated Bedwetters on the editorial staff to even get this piece run.

I say...More power to 'em!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:52 AM
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28. unfortunately it was run under "fashion & style". It's up to us to keep
this story alive!
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mandomom Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:35 AM
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27. The title reads like a threat, if you ask me.
Whose threat is it, anyway? The Times? Bush? CIA? Anyone? This "story" gives me chills. The lack of sensitivity to the history of Kennedy murders is bad enough, but in this current era of GOP win-at-all-costs, it is chilling.
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DarleenMB Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:52 AM
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29. Could someone explain why
this piece is in the "Fashion & Style" section?

I mean ... seriously. Does the NYT think environmentalism is simply a fashion accessory?
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:27 AM
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30. Does the author write his own title, or is that done by someone else?
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 10:28 AM by Boo Boo
Mark Leibovich worked at WaPo. Same guy? I really doubt he'd participate in delivering threats. OTOH, if he did author the title, then maybe he is delivering a message of sorts. The content of the article is not ultimately his decision, but the title could be read as (rather than a threat) a signal that the author believes there is something going on, and that it is dangerous for Kennedy to do what he is doing. Just another way of looking at it.

Manjoo. A counter point of view is SOP, and Manjoo appears to be the "go to" guy for that. Seems a little strange that most people that look seriously at this issue think there is a problem, and Manjoo is the only guy willing to repeatedly try to shoot down any talk of irregularities, or fraud, by anyone who might be seen as a mainstream source.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:16 PM
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35. I wonder who all "Manjoo" is working for, anyway. nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:47 AM
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31. taking their cue from coulter now? despicable. the respected writers
the few that are left, Krugman, Herbert, should protest, and even leave. The NYT doesn't deserve them.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 11:41 AM
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32. Hence, Why I Will Not Buy their Paper
not even delivered right to my door.

Go, Autorank!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 11:46 AM
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33. I Do Like Eat the Press, now...
He tried. Can't bring myself to read that Salon article today. Maybe tomorrow, but not right now. I just ate.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 01:26 PM
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34. K&R(nt)
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:46 AM
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36. You're right, this article is a not-so-veiled threat.
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 03:48 AM by Phrogman
Is he qualified for Secret Service protection? If so they should be notified.
The author of this trash should at least be interviewed.
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