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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:42 AM
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Dave Lindorff: Torture, Impeachment and a Vietnam Veteran's Tears
Torture, Impeachment and a Vietnam Veteran's Tears

The true horror of what President Bush--and the Republican-led 109th Congress--have done to all of us American citizens by authorizing torture in our names came clear during a talk I was giving on impeachment to a group organized by the New Jersey chapter of Progressive Democrats of America.

I had been reciting the growing list of Bush crimes against the Constitution and the laws of the land and had gotten to the issue of torture. At that point a large guy in the back of the room, a marine veteran of the Vietnam War who was proudly wearing a baseball hat emblazoned with the words "Third Marine Division" and "Vietnam Veterans Against the War," offered up the comment that he had witnessed torture in Vietnam.

He began to tell us how his platoon had been bivouacked in the jungle about 100 yards away from a unit of South Vietnamese soldiers. He said they had a captured Viet Cong soldier and were torturing him. As he spoke, his voice cracked and he began sobbing. It was hard for him to get out the rest of his story, but he managed to say, word by painful word, that he had heard the screaming all through that night, and that he still "cannot get those screams" out of his head, some 35 years later.

At that point he got up and, using two canes, hobbled out of the room to hide his embarrassment at his tears. He needn't have bothered; everyone else in the room had wet cheeks at that point anyway.

It was a powerful lesson, for those of us who have not been there, of the horror of torture.

I can't count how many times I have read comments, or even heard them in person, from jingoistic Americans who have said they aren't bothered at all by the idea of American troops or CIA agents torturing "terrorists" or other captives. They typically will say that the victims of the torture are evil people intent on killing Americans, and so who cares?

In fact, however, aside from the fact that torture is illegal under international law, and that it is illegal in the U.S. as a signatory of the Geneva Conventions, since the torture is being conducted upon captives who have never had their cases examined to determine if they are indeed terrorists or legitimate combatants or just innocents picked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it is inevitable that many of those who are being tortured with the president's approval and in our names are simply innocents. Some of those innocents have died at the hands of their tormentors. Others have been driven insane.

What this still haunted veteran demonstrated, by opening a window into his experiences and the demons of war that still plague him, is a dose of reality--an honest look at what torture really is.

Some advocates of impeachment argue that the case against George Bush should focus on those crimes and abuses of power--like his use of signing statements to render inoperative over 850 acts of Congress or his illegal, warrantless spying on thousands of American citizens--which are likely to win Republican and independent as well as Democratic support. I agree that this is a good strategy, but I think we simply cannot allow crimes like the authorization and encouragement of torture to go unchallenged. ..........

The rest of the article is at: http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/



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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:05 AM
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:24 PM
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2. Only Impeachment Can Stop the Horror
And even Mr. Lindorff is wrong when he suggests putting anything else ahead of war crimes is "good strategy."

Only Impeachment fulfills our duty to stand against this.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:27 PM
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3. I believe that not only his authorization of torture, but his encouragement of it
are his worst crimes.

I agree that this should not go unchallanged. I don't know if it represents the best chance for impeachment, but whenever the articles are drawn up, this should be part of it without a doubt.
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