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top10 ADMIN Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-08-07 11:43 PM
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The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 298
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The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 298

July 9, 2007
One Hell Of A Commute Edition

It was simply not possible to limit myself to ten candidates this week so the list is a little bit different, with all ten slots devoted to the commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence. (I know I've missed some other stories, but I'll try to fit them in when the Top 10 returns to normal next week.)



A Boatload Of Conservatives

In the wake of Our Great Leader's commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence, Republican talking heads have had just one straw to clutch at - the infamous "Clinton did it too" defense. Clinton committed perjury! Clinton gave out dubious pardons! Whatever. If the "returning honor and integrity to the White House" administration wants to claim that at its best it's the same as the Clinton administration at its worst, that's fine with me. It must be a disappointment to the people who voted for them, but there you go.

Let's recap:
  • Bill Clinton was brought before a grand jury after a years-long investigation into the contents of his underpants, an issue that most reasonable people thought was a frivolous waste of time but conservatives considered to be of the utmost importance. (So much so, in fact, that some of them considered Clinton's anti-terrorism efforts to be a http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/08/20/strike.react">distraction from his penis.) As part of a deal to end the investigation Clinton later http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky">admitted that he made false statements during deposition in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit, and thus Ken Starr's successor Robert Ray declined to prosecute, saying, "This matter is now concluded. May history and the American people judge that it has been concluded justly."

  • Scooter Libby was investigated by the FBI after the CIA complained that members of the Bush administration had leaked the identity of a covert CIA operative during a time of war, an issue which most reasonable people thought was potentially a serious breach of national security and conservatives considered to be of no consequence whatsoever. During the investigation Scooter Libby lied to the FBI, refused to cut a deal, pleaded not guilty, and was subsequently convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice by a jury of his peers and sentenced to 30 months in prison by a Bush-appointed judge.
All the conservative pundits I've seen on TV this past week seem to be utterly confused by this. For example, the other day Kate O'Beirne http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19618592">actually argued that Scooter Libby's conviction was bogus because "we don't have an admission of perjury and obstruction of justice, like we do in Bill Clinton's case." The fact that Bill Clinton was never prosecuted (although he was impeached by the House and later http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/impeach021399.htm">acquitted by the Senate) but Scooter Libby was actually tried and convicted seemed to have completely escaped her. Scooter never admitted it so he must be innocent! He's an honest man, not like that lying judge and jury! Er, hello?

Perhaps if Libby had owned up to wrongdoing, then, like Clinton, he wouldn't have been prosecuted either - or at worst gotten his sentence reduced to, oh, I don't know, probation and a fine. But he thought he could weasel his way out of it, and he was mistaken.

So since King George decided to spare his former assistant from having to spend a single day in jail for his crimes, I thought this week it might be interesting to compare some quotes by conservatives past and present (along with a few news items) to find out how well they're doing with that whole returning honor and integrity to the White House thing.

1999

I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors. -- http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0309/30/ltm.01.html">George H.W. Bush

2004

If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of. -- http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia">George W. Bush

2007

I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced Tuesday to 30 months in prison for lying to investigators looking into the leak of a CIA operative's identity. He also was fined $250,000. Libby was convicted March 6 of four counts in a five-count indictment alleging perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements to FBI investigators. -- http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/05/cia.leak.trial/index.html">CNN

2007

When the court came back, according to reports from the ground, the judge has set up a process for which Scooter Libby and his attorneys can appeal both the judge's decision today, as well as the jury verdict. And given that and in keeping with what we have said in the past, the President has not intervened so far in this or any other criminal matter, and so he is going to decline to do so now, as well. -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070605-13.html">Dana Perino

2007

The Bush administration is trying to roll back a Supreme Court decision by pushing legislation that would require prison time for nearly all criminals. ... In a speech June 1 to announce the bill, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales urged Congress to re-impose mandatory minimum prison sentences against federal convicts - and not let judges consider such penalties "merely a suggestion." -- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/13/politics/main2924206.shtml">Associated Press

2007

Libby may be behind bars within weeks after a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit today denied his request for release. ... U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton refused to let Libby stay out of prison during his appeal - which might take more than a year to resolve - saying that evidence of his guilt was "overwhelming." -- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a3Fg82u4qIok&refer=home">Bloomberg News

2007

I'm not sure that you can take anybody who has a perjury count and say that they're all the same. Every count has to be considered differently. The President, as you know, looks very carefully at these things. -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070703-6.html">Tony Snow

1999

In the week before (Karla Faye Tucker's) execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them," he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with (Tucker), though. He asked her real difficult questions, like 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me." -- http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nr080999.html">Talk Magazine

2007

I respect the jury's verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison. -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570172">George W. Bush

1998

If we ignore this evidence, I believe we undermine the rule of law that is so important that all America is. Mr. Speaker, a nation of laws cannot be ruled by a person who breaks the law. Otherwise, it would be as if we had one set of rules for the leaders and another for the governed. We would have one standard for the powerful, the popular and the wealthy, and another for everyone else. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/debatetext121998.htm">Former Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX)

2005

It's a Seinfeld scandal. It's an investigation about nothing. -- http://www.pbs.org/wnet/journaleditorialreport/102805/transcript_briefing.html">James Taranto

1998

As the Supreme Court said in the "United States vs. Holland," quote, "Perjury, regardless of the setting, is a serious offense that results in incalculable harm to the function of the legal system, as well to private individuals," end quote. In my judgment, perjury goes to the heart of our judicial process and our very system of government and constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor." What happens if we fail to act? It appears to me that we quietly embrace and even aid in the gradual subversion of our core belief that we are a nation of laws and that all of us regardless of wealth or power, deserve equal treatment in the eyes of the law. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/hutchinsonstext121198.htm">Former Rep. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR)

2005

And secondly, I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn't indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9764239/">Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX)

1998

Perjury is not sex, obstruction is not sex, abuse of power is not about sex. It's important to understand that none of the proposed articles include allegations of sexual misconduct. The president is not accused of marital infidelity because such conduct is essentially private. But when circumstances require you to participate in a formal court proceeding and under oath mislead the parties and the court by lying, that is a public act and deserves public sanction. Perjury is a crime with a five-year penalty. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/buyertext121098.htm">Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL)

2007

President Bush, in defending his decision to let "Scooter" Libby escape prison in the CIA leak cases, argued that at least he would have to serve two years of probation. However, the federal judge who handed down the commuted 30-month sentence, pointed out Tuesday that, technically, this does not hold - since Libby did not serve any prison time at all he does not have to face probation. -- http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003607208">Editor & Publisher

1998

I fear for my country when conduct such as perjury and obstruction of justice is no longer viewed with approbrium but instead is viewed as a sign of legal finesse or personal sophistication. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/text100998.htm">Former Rep. James Rogan (R-CA)

2007

I am very happy for Scooter Libby. I know that this is a great relief to him, his wife and children. While for a long time I have urged a pardon for Scooter, I respect the President's decision. This will allow a good American, who has done a lot for his country, to resume his life. -- http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/02/253699.aspx">Former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN), July 2007

1998

The third thing that I think is important to point out here is that we have a constitutional obligation, a constitutional obligation to act. And there are lots of folks who would counsel, Listen, let's just move along. It's sort of the Clinton so-what defense. So what? I committed perjury. So what? I broke the law. Let's just move along. I believe we've got a constitutional obligation to act. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/inglistext121098.htm">Rep. Bob Inglis (R-SC)

2007

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who as Massachusetts governor refused to pardon an Iraq war veteran's pellet gun conviction, on Tuesday called U.S. President George W. Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence "reasonable." -- http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/03/america/NA-POL-White-House-Romney.php">International Herald Tribune

1998

First, perjury and obstruction of justice drive a stake in the heart of the rule of law. When the Constitution was ratified, it was christened as the grand American experiment. America stood alone in being governed by the rule of law as opposed to the rule of kings, tyrants, czars, monarchs, emperors, chiefs, sheiks, lords, barons and lords, and even nobles. To our founders' credit, they created a republic based on the rule of law rather than a nation being based on the whims of man. The American legacy is that we have become the beacon of liberty to nations around the world who seek systems of government just like ours. We have an obligation to preserve the heritage of the rule of law now and for future generations. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/buyertext121098.htm">Rep. Steve Buyer (R-IN), 1998

2007

Scooter Libby does not deserve to go to jail. I would remind Joe Wilson that Scooter Libby did not leak Valerie Plame's name. Richard Armitage told Robert Novak, we now know, about Valerie Plame's name, so this was an investigation that should never have happened. There was no underlying crime. -- http://mediamatters.org/items/200707030008?f=h_top">Bill Kristol

1998

But if the same law applies to everybody equally, that's the American tradition. And that's what we're looking at. This has not anything to do with sex; it has a lot to do with suborning perjury, tampering with witnesses, obstructing justice, and perjury, all of which impact on our Constitution and our system of justice and the kind of country we are. -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/text100998.htm">Former Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL)

2007

I think what the judge did today argues more in favor of a pardon because this is excessive punishment ... This is a very, very important - a man's life is at stake. And the reality is, this is an incomprehensible situation. They knew who the leak was and ultimately, there was no underlying crime involved -- http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/us/politics/05cnd-transcript.html?ei=5070&en=c15484a8b962a048&ex=1183867200&pagewanted=all">Rudy Giuliani

1987

The United States Attorney in Manhattan, Rudolph W. Giuliani, declared yesterday that the one-year prison sentence that a Queens judge received for perjury was "somewhat shocking." ... If sentences as lenient as this one had been given to the Watergate burglars, he added, the whole Watergate affair would not have been uncovered. -- http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0DF143DF932A2575AC0A961948260">New York Times

2007

Who is Hillary Clinton to criticize a presidential pardon that winds up being controversial, given her husband's record on pardons? And it wasn't just on the way out the door, those highly controversial pardons of people like Mark Rich. -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19618592">Kate O'Beirne

2001

There are no facts that I know of that support the criminality of the client based on the tax returns. -- http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/02/clinton.library">Marc Rich's lawyer Lewis "Scooter" Libby

2007

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., has scheduled hearings on Bush's commutation of Libby's 2 1/2-year sentence. "Well, fine, knock himself out," (Tony) Snow said of Conyers. "I mean, perfectly happy. And while he's at it, why doesn't he look at January 20th, 2001?" -- http://www.examiner.com/a-814300~Bush_spokesman__Clintons_have_chutzpah_for_criticizing_Bush.html">Associated Press

2001

In total, the investigations into Clinton's issuances of executive clemency took over a year to conclude. The House Government Reform Committee didn't release its final report until March 2002, well over a year after President Clinton left office. The Justice Department didn't close its investigation, in which it concluded "it wasn't appropriate to bring charges against anybody," until June 2002. -- http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/snow-clinton-pardon-investigation">Think Progress

See you next week.

-- EarlG
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-08-07 11:47 PM
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1. FYI
If you're using Internet Explorer this page might not render correctly (although it should). If you can't read the whole thing, try reading it here instead: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/298

If anyone has problems with it, I'll fix it in the morning.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:00 AM
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9. EarlG, I look forward to Top Ten Idiots every Monday. Never disappointed. But this....
..., this was your very best work.

It's nice to have someone bring it all into perspective.

Bookmarked.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-08-07 11:51 PM
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2. Thank you
Made me boiling mad - again.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 12:05 AM
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3. Best. Photoshop. Ever.
Would we call that a trunk job? I can go to bed now.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 12:14 AM
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4. Excellent. K&R
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 12:15 AM
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5. With Libby's commute, I am now absoultely convinced Bush is the Antichrist.
Calling him the "Worst President Ever" is an understatement. The man is pure evil, and just doesn't give a fuck what we think. He should be out on his ass and awaiting imprisonment.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:46 AM
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6. Imprisonment is too good
How about rendition to Iran or Syria or North Korea?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 02:21 PM
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18. I was thinking Guantanamo Bay.
And that would be quite the ironic punishment too - Bush would be imprisoned in one of the very torture facilities he helped justify.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:43 AM
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7. I see a faux pas ...
The next to the last item with Tony Snow's comment about Conyers' scheduling hearings says "2001" when it should be "2007".
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:17 AM
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10. Thanks
Fixed it :thumbsup:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:22 AM
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8. Top 10 Conservative Idiots??
You should expand the list to top 100. As corrupt and degenerate the Republican Party has become, even this may not cover it each week.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:27 AM
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11. The Junta is doing a heckuva job when they rate a special edition of the Top Ten
And the picture of the Elephant and Scooter... priceless! That sums up the situation perfectly. :toast:

Excellent work, as usual.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:00 AM
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12. TONY SNOW HERE----->
what all of you are saying is in error. first of all, scooter needs to be tried by a jury of his peers--- and where are the american people going to find such a jury? 12 men and women bold and true who will sit to judge what the democrats cry as lies. the jury would have to understand what a lie is. and who better to do that than the republicans in the bush administration. they are familiar with lies, one might even say that they are intimate with them. so the only good jury would be republicans because they understand lies. but then, would not the democrats call foul, the babies that they are. but in iraq, people would see that we are a fair and just country-- they would if they had electricity so their radios and televisions could pick up that information and praise the bush whitehouse for their fair and balanced treatment of "the scootman", as my boss calls him. and so my friends, god bless america, god bless the president.

this is tony "the snowjob" snow, direct from the whitehouse, explaining how this helps US win, and the TERRORISTS lose.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:22 AM
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13. Weak...
Super weak. It's a big story and all, but where are the bible thumpin' scoutmaster pastors who like some small children on the side?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:12 AM
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14. Boat loads of Conservative Idiots is what this country must ship overseas
....in November 2008. I'm thinking that the safest place to drop all of these jerks would be Antarctica. Any other thoughts or suggestions?
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:53 AM
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15. I like the trunk sniffing Scooter's cha cha
What's that? Cha cha is what females have? Well, if he can't pay for his crimes like every other American, then he is a BIG cha cha!

I find the intellectual dishonesty to be so unbelievably disgusting that I am speechless! How on God's green earth do these "people" get away with this crap?! They have such a strong negative influence on the political discourse that they even had Dana Milbank comparing the Democratic outrage for Clinton's perjury charges to the republican outrage to Scooter!

Democrats were outraged because no one should have to testify and tell the truth for getting a blowjob from another willing adult!
HOWEVER, republicans seem to be outraged because they believe that outing a covert CIA operative is of no consequence to national security and should not be considered treason, whereas any thinking person knows otherwise!

If I hear, "there was no underlying crime" ONE MORE TIME! Just because no one was prosecuted for outing a CIA operative DOES NOT MEAN THERE WAS NO UNDERLYING CRIME OR WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT VALERIE PLAME YOU FRIGGIN' IMBECILES!! Regardless, there was an OVERLYING crime for which he was prosecuted!

Okay, let's see, which is worse, blowjob or treason? Blowjob or treason? Blowjob or treason?

hmmm I need to know one more thing before deciding: did she use her teeth?

For fuck's sake, these people... :banghead:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 01:15 PM
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17. We know from the dress she didn't swallow.
:evilgrin:

-Hoot
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:56 PM
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22. RMAOFL!!! n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 01:14 PM
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16. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of. - *"
Sure did, didn't you asswipe!

-Hoot
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 02:50 PM
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19. so much overt hypocrisy
you'd think they feel some embarrassment if not actual shame - but one of the quotes above by gw, who before i read it i thought could not tell the truth except by accident, has turned out to be the truth, the whole truth, even though it is not necessarily nothing but the truth:

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of."

he took care of scooter, didn't he? so, no lie there...
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:55 AM
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20. My blood pressure just went through the roof with that gala review of
the Reich Wing speechifying. Honor and ethics, my fucking ass. :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

BTW, EarlG, good job as always. :thumbsup:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:42 AM
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21. Since the only defense is "Clinton did it," why aren't the loyal
Bushies upset their hero is now, officially, worse than Clinton? Wait, wait, don't tell me. God told him to do it.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:07 PM
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23. Thank you, EarlG, for drawing me to DU
It was the Top 10 that made me come back each week for over a year now, even if, for at least the first half year, I didn't read anything else. I'm glad to compliment you on this edition, which is the most powerfull you've ever compiled. I missed the humour you usually toss in, but I guess I'll see some of that again next week. You did an excellent job in laying out what a bunch of hypocrites the Republicans really are.
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