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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:36 AM
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"We Are Going To Hit Iran. Bigtime"
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 11:56 AM by Barrett808
"We Are Going To Hit Iran. Bigtime"
by Maccabee
Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 03:50:24 PM PDT

I have a friend who is an LSO on a carrier attack group that is planning and staging a strike group deployment into the Gulf of Hormuz. (LSO: Landing Signal Officer- she directs carrier aircraft while landing) She told me we are going to attack Iran. She said that all the Air Operation Planning and Asset Tasking are finished. That means that all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth.

I asked her why she is telling me this.

Her answer was really amazing.

She started in the Marines and after 8 years her term was up. She had served on a smaller Marine carrier, and found out through a friend knew there was an opening for a junior grade LSO in a training position on a supercarrier. She used the reference and the information and applied for a transfer to the United States Navy. Since she had experience landing F-18Cs and Cobra Gunships, and an unblemished combat record, she was ratcheted into the job, successfully changing from the Marines to the Navy. Her role is still aligned with the Marines since she generally is assigned to liason with the Marine units deploying off her carrier group.

Like most Marines and former Marines, she is largely apolitical. The fact is, most Marines are trigger pullers and most trigger pullers could care less who the President is. They simply want to be the tip of the sword when it comes to defending the country. She voted once in her life and otherwise was always in some forward post on the water during election season.

Something is wrong with the Navy and the Marines in her view. Always ready to go in harms way, Marines rarely ever question unless it’s a matter of tactics or honor. But something seems awry. Junior and senior officers are starting to grumble, roll their eyes in the hallways. The strain of deployments is beginning to hit every jot and tittle of the Marines and it’s beginning to seep into the daily conversation of Marines and Naval officers in command decision.

"I know this will sound crazy coming from a Naval officer", she said. "But we’re all just waiting for this administration to end. Things that happen at the senior officer level seem more and more to happen outside of the purview of XOs and other officers who typically have a say-so in daily combat and flight operations. Today, orders just come down from the mountaintop and there’s no questioning. In fact, there is no discussing it. I have seen more than one senior commander disappear and then three weeks later we find out that he has been replaced. That’s really weird. It’s also really weird because everyone who has disappeared has questioned whether or not we should be staging a massive attack on Iran."

"We’re not stupid. Most of the members of the fleet read well enough to know what is going on world-wise. We also realize that anyone who has any doubts is in danger of having a long military career yanked out from under them. Keep in mind that most of the people I serve with are happy to be a part of the global war on terror. It’s just that the touch points are what we see since we are the ones out here who are supposedly implementing this grand strategy. But when you liason with administration officials who don’t know that Iranians don’t speak Arabic and have no idea what Iranians live like, then you start having second thoughts about whether these Administration officials are even competent."

I asked her about the attack, how limited and so forth.

"I don’t think it’s limited at all. We are shipping in and assigning every damn Tomahawk we have in inventory. I think this is going to be massive and sudden, like thousands of targets. I believe that no American will know when it happens until after it happens. And whatever the consequences, whatever the consequences, they will have to be lived with. I am sure if my father knew I was telling someone in a news organization that we were about to launch a supposedly secret attack that it would be treason. But something inside me tells me to tell it anyway."

I asked her why she was suddenly so cynical.

"I have become cynical only recently. I also don’t believe anyone will be able to stop this. Bush has become something of an Emperor. He will give the command, and cruise missiles will fly and aircraft will fly and people will die, and yet few of us here are really able to cobble together a great explanation of why this is a good idea. Of course many of us can give you the 4H Club lecture on democracy in the Mid East. But if you asked any of the flight officers whether they have a clear idea of what the goal of this strike is, your answer would sound like something out of a think tank policy paper. But it’s not like Kosovo or when we relieved the tsunami victims. There everyone could tell you in a sentence what we were here doing."

"That’s what’s missing. A real sense of purpose. What’s missing is the answer to what the hell are we doing out here threatening this country with all this power? Last night in the galley, an ensign asked what right do we have to tell a sovereign nation that they can’t build a nuke. I mean the table got EF Hutton quiet. Not so much because the man was asking a question that was off culture. But that he was asking a good question. In fact, the discussion actually followed afterwards topside where someone in our group had to smoke a cigarette. The discussion was intelligent but also in lowered voices. It’s like we aren’t allowed to ask the questions that we always ask before combat. It’s almost as if the average seaman or soldier is doing all the policy work."

She had to hang up. She left by telling me that she believes the attack is a done deal. "It’s only a matter of time before their orders come and they will be sent to station and told to go to Red Alert. She said they were already practicing traps, FARP and FAST." (Trapping is the act of catching the tension wires when landing on the carrier, FARP is Fleet Air Combat Maneuvering Readiness Program- practice dogfighting- and FAST is Fleet Air Superiority Training).

She seemed lost. The first time in my life I have ever heard her sound off rhythm, or unsure of why she is doing something. She knows that there is something rotten in the Naval Command and she, like many of her associates are just hoping that the election brings in someone new, some new situation, or something.

"Yes. We're gong to hit Iran, bigtime. Whatever political discussion that are going in is window dressing and perhaps even a red herring. I see what's going on below deck here in the hangars and weapons bays. And I have a sick feeling about how it's all going to turn out."

(more)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/1/183018/1527




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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:38 AM
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1. Thread in GD
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:51 AM
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2. Holy Shit -
"I don’t think it’s limited at all. We are shipping in and assigning every damn Tomahawk we have in inventory. I think this is going to be massive and sudden, like thousands of targets. I believe that no American will know when it happens until after it happens. And whatever the consequences, whatever the consequences, they will have to be lived with".

We will kill millions of innocent people and what happens next to us is known only by God.
But, if there was a GOD he would have struck these deranged bastards from the earth a long time ago.

I've been telling my friends and family for a year now that this was coming.
No one believes me.
They all think I am crazy.

Iran will be destroyed, and then I'm afraid we are next.
Bush's approval level will drop down to the teens, and then he will declare martial law and the guns will be pointed at US.

That is what I believe.
These people are going NOWHERE.

Bush will be sent to Crawford to clear brush and drink himself to death, while the TRUE purveyors of evil, Cheney and the neo-cons take over for good.

Tell me I'm wrong.
Please.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:57 AM
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34. sorry
can't disagree
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:52 AM
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3. dailyKos will let anyone post a diary
Even Tom Clancy wannabes.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:08 PM
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4. An LSO is a Landing Signal Officer
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 12:12 PM by rocknation
You're welcome.

But seriously, folks, if this true, I can think of only two reasons why Georgie wants to do this: either he believes it will make us love him again, or he's decided to destroy the world rather than leave behind a failed legacy. In which case the military had better come with with a way to Just Say No.

:scared:
rocknation
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:37 PM
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20. I think it's as simple as keeping Bush and Cheney's defense interests rich....
That's our leaders....

...they spread fear worldwide while selling weapons on the side

:mad:
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:10 PM
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5. I think we need more than some mid-level Naval Flight
Officer to verify strategic plans to bomb Iran, if it is true she faces court-martial, and if it isn't,, she still faces court-martial,, Utter Wannabe bovine scat.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:16 PM
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25. f-18s dont fly off marine carriers
there is no gulf of Hormuz

And no one uses the term suppercarriers anymore.

I tore that diary about 18 new assholes last night.

http://www.dailykos.com/user/Roger%20Fox/comments
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:25 PM
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6. why doesn't the congress resend the idiot psychopaths fangs to start war unilaterally!!!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:26 PM
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7. correct or incorrect we need to defang the pResidents ability to start war, RIGHT NOW !!!
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:04 PM
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8. FoxNews.com is posting the Times of London story on their site now.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295529,00.html?bringiton

How long before they do their own "reporting" with a few crispy fried "facts" thrown in for flavor?

And notice at the end of the link....Bring It On.

Fucking Bastards. Really, really rethinking my opposition to the Death Penalty.



My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:35 PM
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9. I just don't believe it will happen
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 01:37 PM by edwardlindy
The USA must realise that Iran's most likely immediate tactical response would be to take out the main Saudi oil terminal at Ras Tanura along with their major oil fields:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/saudi/map.html
.........and then block the Straits of Hormuz.

It wouldn't be so much a matter of how much your oil was within the the near future : more of a matter of whether you had any at all. The Chinise could easily cope with significantly increased prices of a substantially reduced supply simply by using up some of either their $ or Euro reserves. I include Euros because you just also might find that some other countries refuse to sell their oil for $'s.

In other words does the USA really want to fuck itself ?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:16 PM
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13. "does the USA really want to fuck itself ?" You might have asked that same question


of Germany in 1939.

Nations never want to "Fuck themselves". National leaders become megalomaniacs. Propaganda brings their subjects along for the ride and there becomes a situation in which NOTHING can stop them.

This is the situation we are now in. It's been reported on this site that Pelosi has bowed to the hawks in the Dem Party and will not oppose Bush/Cheney in an attack on Iran. IMO the party is now no longer representing the interests of the citizens of the United States of America, but the interests o their corporate sponsors, who are in the main members of the Industrial-Military-Congressional complex. I feel as if there is no one to turn to to fix the problems of the nation anymore.

If it were within my power I would make Dennis Kucinich dictator for life. At least his ideas seem to be on OUR side for a change of pace.

I think your predictions of Iranian retaliation are spot on. The Saudi oil fields are certainly on the target list since the Iranian and Saudis are on the opposite sides of the Shia-Sunni divide. The Straights of Hormuz were a problem in the 1990 war and that was before Iran acquired the Sunburn ship killers. And just to be sure, don't forget the Saudi pipelines. They are vulnerable as the airships of Germany in WWI. Iran has a huge airforce with Mig 27s and 29s, Su 24s and 25s, Chinese J6 and j7s, American F4, F5, and F14s, and the French Mirage F1. All of which have fast firing cannons, capable of making jigsaw puzzles out of the pipelines.

If the above were to happen, I have no doubt that the Saudis would be incapable of shipping much oil. In that case, I believe that the Saudis would instigate another 9/11, but this time the target would be the Bush/Cheney twins. Talk about pissed off Saudis.

I would not doubt in the least that Iran is at this moment dispersing their Air Force and army units to camouflaged revetments, preparing for an Ali style rope-a-dope. They'll stay down while we shoot our bolts until we're out of tactical weapons and then send their air force dashing across Bahrain to decimate the Saudi oil industry, and across the Iraq border to free them of American occupiers. Remember after the 'Shock and Awe' of 2003 that it took months for our 'defense' industry to replace all the munitions dropped then?

I feel terrible for feeling this way because of all the pain it will bring on us, but I sorta kinds hope the Iranians are successful. I'm sick and tired of living in a fascist empire. I want democracy dack. I dont thing we'll have it under either of the current incumbent political par ties.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:24 PM
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16. My real fear is not the stupidity of us invade Iran,
it's the fact that Russian and China would invade and then it would be checkmate.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 08:10 PM
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21. Sarcasmo, could you be a little more specific?


Who are China and Russia going to invade?

If you mean US, I doubt it. China doesn't have to invade us. They hold the trump cards. We owe them more than can EVER be repaid, our entire economy depends on them supporting the dollar. If they want to destroy us, all they have to do is start selling dollars. The dollar will then fall on the world economy, and we'll be up shit creek with no visible means of locomotion. And no way to buy it.

I'm sure China will be mightily pissed when we attack Iran, since they have huge economic ties with them. But invade? I doubt it. Economic retaliation will be disasterous enough.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 08:28 PM
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22. Russia and China have been doing joint maneuvers, do you think they are going to sit idly bye
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 08:28 PM by sarcasmo
and not invade the United States? How long would it take to transfer their Dollars into Euros, our economy would collapse and invasion would happen quickly. We don't even make our own bullets anymore. IF the idiot Dictator does invade this scene could play out in less than a months time, IMHO.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 12:20 AM
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31. Interesting take.


My only argument is that once our economy has collapsed, it becomes unnecessary for them to invade us. After all, what do we have now that they need? As you say we don't make anything, even our own bullets, so there is little need to invade.

No, I think that their best actions will involve simply isolating us from the rest of the world and sitting back and waiting while we destroy ourselves in a civil war-a war between the classes that I I am sure is coming before long.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 05:08 PM
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19. Couldn't quite understand
the anaology with Germany at first. Hitler was a full blown nutter but mind you........... Then I understood the anology.

The Green Zone isn't very far away from them either and Azerbaijan is only a couple of spits the other side of the mountyians. Losing Azerbaijan's oil, assuming the BP pipeline is now up and running, would really screw the west but could at least help lead to them getting a decent government there.

"rope-a-dope" have not heard that expression for a while.........lol.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:18 PM
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26. Hormuz must remain open for Iran to make money
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:58 PM
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10. See
this is the really distressing thing:

"Keep in mind that most of the people I serve with are happy to be a part of the global war on terror."

This is rubbish too. People can't make war on an abstract noun. People can reject what Bush has done in its name, but if they are still pursuing the basic concept (and the Democrats are, so a change of administration will cure nothing: people in distant lands will still die in their hundreds of thousands at American hands) then we are all still on the road to global ruin. We are still perpetuating the deliberate self-ignorance behind the formula. We are still continuing the policies which give rise to it.

If we want to make war on terrorism (the only thing you can fight) then we need to ask a question: "Why motivates terrorists?" It isn't hard to find the answer - the cruelty and injustice and exploitation and hypocrisy is written all over our history. And if we want to stop terrorism, then we need to behave better with relation to the rest of the world. Global justice (not western vengeance) will end terrorism. It will be hard on us, but it will be the right thing to do.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 03:45 PM
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11. I not only believe it'll happen I believe Bush will choose a time for maximum
effect for 2008 election. Anyone doubt that Bush would do this? is living in a dreamworld that expired when Bush took office. Bush wants to make his mark on history, move over Hitler!
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rabies1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 03:50 PM
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12. I believe attacking Iran is inevitable.
The best scenario is that before we bomb Iran, we begin Impeachment procedures. Then, when they start the assault, other countries in the world will know that we do NOT agree or support in any way what Bush/Cheney are doing. Hopefully they both could be ousted before this disaster is set to occur.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:20 PM
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27. No major action against Iran


Period.

After the Cornwall incident its clear to me, no one in the region is giving the Bush Foreign policy a second thought.

Tony Blair "told" Bush to get his good damned air craft carriers away from Iran while we have 15 sailors in Iranian custody. And you know what, Bush did exactly that.

Saudis siding with Israel against Iran? Thats funny but not so far off.

So you say Bush is crazy enough to do it anyway, that may be right, but that doesnt mean an attack ordered by Bush will be carried out. It could mean the Iranian army marches right into Iraq, and wipes out every US soldier. And there is nothing Bush can do w/o nuking something.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:18 PM
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14. Bush will sneakl attack on Iran then explain to the American people why there
are shopping malls in America now being blown up.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:19 PM
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15. Kick, this thread should be in all four major groups. GD, GD Politics etc..
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:23 PM
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29. Kos deleted it.
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everydayis911 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:38 PM
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17. Naaaaah
Bush is too busy clearing brush from Crawford see

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=jx6of
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:44 PM
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18. Too Much Information About the Source
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 04:44 PM by JPZenger
If an officer leaks this kind of information about an upcoming attack, that would probably be a reason for a court martial. There is a tremendous amount of information provided in the above post about this officer, which would make it easy to identify the person.

If we quote a confidential source, we should at least be discrete enough to not provide details about their position. It is like saying "The person who told me about the illegal wiretaps works in the third office from the corner window".
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:24 PM
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30. Worse than that, f-18's dont fly off of marine helo carriers
Caught in the big lie. There are a number of other mistakes too. Outlined in my comments to said fake dairy

http://www.dailykos.com/user/Roger%20Fox/comments
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 09:13 PM
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23. I do NOT think that these f---=ups for one minute think beyond the now
so this attack is quite obviously something they will maneuver into for the ingenuously callous reasons.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:21 PM
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24. I seriously doubt this will happen
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 10:22 PM by Alcibiades
But I've been wrong about things before, particularly when it comes to underestimating this administration's ability to do stupid stuff.

The planning described here is the sort of thing that the military is supposed to do. If we are engaged in saber-rattling with Libya, for example, then any threat to attack Libya must be credible. Since we assume that their intelligence knows what we are up to, and since something as massive as this cannot be planned in utter secrecy anyway, they go ahead and plan it. Of course, we have had plans on the book for a variety of strikes against Iran since 1980 or so, but these need to be updated with the kind of operational details described here, i.e. assigning targets etc.

That being said, I do think that what has been written here about the Iranian ability to destroy Arabian oil infrastructure would in no way deter Bush if he were determined to launch an attack. Indeed, if anything, such an attack by Iran would greatly decrease the global supply of oil. This would make all the other oil pumped all over the world suddenly more valuable, at least until the Gulf capacity gets back online. This is exactly how the oil companies have made billions from the Iraq war, despite the fact that they are not pumping nearly as much Iraqi oil, refining it or marketing it to consumers. It's another way to squeeze every penny out of consumers before the oil runs out, and that's exactly the kind of thing that appeals to the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Exxon-Mobil people that run this country.

Scratch what I said before. It's a right dead certainty they are going to attack Iran. If Iran does not retaliate by blowing up Saudi Arabian oil facilities, Bush will have our military do it and blame it on them (Iran).
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:21 PM
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28. BTW, KOS deleted this dairy, I think it was fake
http://www.dailykos.com/user/Roger%20Fox/comments

And stated so in the comments section with great vigor. Repeatedly.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 10:14 AM
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32. It may be :"fake," but it has the ring of
truth in the way that great novels are often truer than fact. The plausibility of such a scenario, on the part of the present administration, is beyond question.

I'm quite afraid we haven't even seen the worst this govt. is capable of. For the first time in my long life as a US citizen, I can't even call it "my government."
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:40 PM
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33. I like Cabal or Regime over government.......
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 09:55 AM
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35. Debunked by Kos On Kos.....
"Seriously, just because something online confirms your own viewpoint or prejudices or whatnot, it does not mean it's true.

Skepticism is a virtue.

Now the right-wingers are laughing at the gullibility of those who recommend Maccabee's diaries.

And they are quite justified in doing so."

As reliable as this guy....



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