Thom Hartmann: Coulter and Justice Scalia to Synagogue - Jews Are Safer with Christians in Charge

Ann Coulter and Justice Antonin Scalia to Synagogue - Jews Are Safer with Christians in Charge
by Thom Hartmann


The National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC) called on media to stop inviting Ann Coulter as a guest commentator and strongly condemned her comments that Jews should be “perfected” by accepting the New Testament and that America would be better off if Judaism were “thrown away” and all Americans were Christian.

“While Ann Coulter has freedom of speech, news outlets should exercise their freedom to use better judgment,” said NJDC Executive Director Ira N. Forman. “Just as media outlets don’t invite those who believe that Martians walk the earth to frequently comment on science stories, it’s time they stop inviting Ann Coulter to comment on politics.”

Media Matters for America has a complete transcript of Coulter’s comments — and video — available here.

Similarly, Justice Antonin Scalia turned history on its head several years ago when he attended an Orthodox synagogue in New York and claimed that the Founders intended for their Christianity to play a part in government. Scalia then went so far as to suggest that the reason Hitler was able to initiate the Holocaust was because of German separation of church and state.

The Associated Press reported on November 23, 2004, “In the synagogue that is home to America’s oldest Jewish congregation, he noted that in Europe, religion-neutral leaders almost never publicly use the word ‘God.’”

“Did it turn out that,” Scalia asked rhetorically, “by reason of the separation of church and state, the Jews were safer in Europe than they were in the United States of America?” He then answered himself, saying, “I don’t think so.”

Justice Scalia and Ann Coulter may well benefit from looking back at the photographs that came out of Germany that were all over the newspapers and news magazines at war’s end. The photos that can be seen, for instance, at www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm of the Catholic Bishops giving the collective Nazi salute. The annual April 20th celebration, declared by Pope Pius XII, of Hitler’s birthday. The belt buckles of the German army, which declared “Gott Mit Uns” (”God is with us”). The pictures of the 1933 investiture of Bishop Ludwig Müller, the official Bishop of the 1000-Years-Of-Peace Nazi Reich. That last photo should be the most problematic for Ann Coulter and Justice Scalia, because Hitler had done exactly what Scalia is recommending - he merged church and state.

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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/12/4507/

I'm just not convinced that they really believe all the crap they say.

as the other.

Wow, but that is a whopper that stands everything on it's head, like so many audacious Bushie Big Lies. The Germans were a thoroughly Christianized people and nation, when Hitler came along.

Further, up until at least 1935, Hitler adoptedthe same "Noble and Godly" pose that Bushler adopts.

The same one. Our God-Sent Fuhrer.

But of course the Orwellian-Soviet-Nazi-Bushie Family of Lies goes on, always audacious in it's revisions of history.

Throw enough lies and people will be so busy countering an especially egregious one that they're assimilated five smaller ones in the process.

Scalia is misinformed about the connection between the church and state in NAZI Germany. There was no separation of church and state in Hitler's Germany. The government collected the church offerings along with its own taxes. It was still doing that in 1985. I don't know whether it has changed.

In "They Thought They Were Free," Milton Mayer quotes one of the many former NAZIs that he interviewed after the war who stated:

"The trouble was that the Church -- Catholic as well as Protestant -- was supported by taxes. . . . . There were exceptions, many exceptions, the whole Christian Socialist movement, for example; but, in general, the Protestant clergy acted like high civil servants, which, after all, is what they were.

. . . . "But why, then, you ask, did the Catholics go Nazi? Why didn't the priests hold them, as they had held them from Communism? The answer is twofold. First, Communism was atheist and Nazism was its enemy, supposedly the defender of relgion. But there was another reason, I'm told that you see this today <1955> in Italy and France, where one hears that there are actually Communist priests. And that is that the masses of the people would not be held back from Nazism, so powerful was its appeal, and this same priest, who would not leave his people, went with them to Nazism, too."

pages 216-218, Milton Mayer, "They Thought They Were Free" (1955)

In the late 1970s, Austria still had a Catholic "shrine" that celebrated imaginary "crimes" by Jews. It was the last of many such "shrines" across Catholic Europe. The anti-semitism of the NAZIs reflected the anti-semitism of the Catholic and Lutheran churches. Below is a review of a couple of books on the Catholic Church's support of the NAZIs.

"Two new books examine the Catholic Church's support of Nazism. John Cornwell turns a spotlight on the pope and Guenter Lewy's re-issued 1964 book focusses on the Catholic Church in Germany. The Catholic Church's hostility to the left, its own institutional self-interest and its patriotism combined with the Nazi state in a sordid alliance of swastika and cross.

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Hitler rightly saw the Concordat with the Vatican as representing papal endorsement of the Nazi regime. Catholic bishops in Germany welcomed the concordat. As long as the deutschmarks came into the church's coffers and schools (which Hitler ensured right through to the end of World War II), then the imprisonment in concentration camps of anti-Nazi political opponents (who were Reds, after all), the persecution of Jews (who were Christ-killers, after all) and the suppression of trade unions, parliamentary democracy and civil rights (all part of the “Red Tide”) would go unchallenged.

Indeed, the Catholic Church welcomed, and willingly implemented, those Nazi policies which were in harmony with Catholic church's own anti-Semitism. When a 1.5% quota was introduced for Jews in schools and colleges, Catholic priests supplied “blood purity” information from church marriage and baptism registries to the government. Church records were also used to determine Jewish ancestry for the Nazi policy prohibiting the employment of Jews in the civil service. This assistance to the Nazi state would ultimately connect with the death camps when the price of being a Jew was not just exclusion from education or employment but death."

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2001/432/26946

Yes. Catholic priests and nuns who spoke out were arrested and otherwise punished by the NAZIs, but they were the minority. Also, the NAZIs held services of their own on Sunday mornings, as if trying to create a counter-church or counter-religion of their own. Milton Mayer, "They Thought They Were Free," (1955) pages 210-226.

When that comes...well...you know...something we may have left out...um...we gotta kill all of ya...

Sincerely,
Fundy Xians

I have a gun and plenty of ammo. Come near me and I'll feed your remains to my cats.

Sincerely,
the pissed-off Satanist.

In fact, I think it still doesn't - and most European countries in fact still have state churches.

What a moron.