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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:21 PM
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“The pendulum in the Christian world has swung back to the moderate point of view.
well worth the read.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/magazine/


October 28, 2007
The Evangelical Crackup
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

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So when Fox announced to his flock one Sunday in August last year that it was his final appearance in the pulpit, the news startled evangelical activists from Atlanta to Grand Rapids. Fox told the congregation that he was quitting so he could work full time on “cultural issues.” Within days, The Wichita Eagle reported that Fox left under pressure. The board of deacons had told him that his activism was getting in the way of the Gospel. “It just wasn’t pertinent,” Associate Pastor Gayle Tenbrook later told me.

Fox, who is 47, said he saw some impatient shuffling in the pews, but he was stunned that the church’s lay leaders had turned on him. “They said they were tired of hearing about abortion 52 weeks a year, hearing about all this political stuff!” he told me on a recent Sunday afternoon. “And these were deacons of the church!”

These days, Fox has taken his fire and brimstone in search of a new pulpit. He rented space at the Johnny Western Theater at the Wild West World amusement park until it folded. Now he preaches at a Best Western hotel. “I don’t mind telling you that I paid a price for the political stands I took,” Fox said. “The pendulum in the Christian world has swung back to the moderate point of view. The real battle now is among evangelicals.”

Fox is not the only conservative Christian to feel the heat of those battles, even in — of all places — Wichita. Within three months of his departure, the two other most influential conservative Christian pastors in the city had left their pulpits as well. And in the silence left by their voices, a new generation of pastors distinctly suspicious of the Republican Party — some as likely to lean left as right — is beginning to speak up.

Just three years ago, the leaders of the conservative Christian political movement could almost see the Promised Land. White evangelical Protestants looked like perhaps the most potent voting bloc in America. They turned out for President George W. Bush in record numbers, supporting him for re-election by a ratio of four to one. Republican strategists predicted that religious traditionalists would help bring about an era of dominance for their party. Spokesmen for the Christian conservative movement warned of the wrath of “values voters.” James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, was poised to play kingmaker in 2008, at least in the Republican primary. And thanks to President Bush, the Supreme Court appeared just one vote away from answering the prayers of evangelical activists by overturning Roe v. Wade.

Today the movement shows signs of coming apart beneath its leaders. It is not merely that none of the 2008 Republican front-runners come close to measuring up to President Bush in the eyes of the evangelical faithful, although it would be hard to find a cast of characters more ill fit for those shoes: a lapsed-Catholic big-city mayor; a Massachusetts Mormon; a church-skipping Hollywood character actor; and a political renegade known for crossing swords with the Rev. Pat Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Nor is the problem simply that the Democratic presidential front-runners — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Senator Barack Obama and former Senator John Edwards — sound like a bunch of tent-revival Bible thumpers compared with the Republicans.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:25 PM
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1. “Obama sounds too much like Osama,” said Kayla Nickel of Westlink. “When he says his name, I am like
Many conservative Christian leaders say they can count on the specter of a second Clinton presidency to fire up their constituents. But the prospect of an Obama-Giuliani race is another matter. “You would have a bunch of people who traditionally vote Republican going over to Obama,” said the Rev. Donald Wildmon, founder of the Christian conservative American Family Association of Tupelo, Miss., known for its consumer boycotts over obscenity or gay issues.

In the Wichita churches this summer, Obama was the Democrat who drew the most interest. Several mentioned that he had spoken at Warren’s Saddleback church and said they were intrigued. But just as many people ruled out Obama because they suspected that he was not Christian at all but in fact a crypto-Muslim — a rumor that spread around the Internet earlier this year. “There is just that ill feeling, and part of it is his faith,” Welsh said. “Is his faith anti-Christian? Is he a Muslim? And what about the school where he was raised?”

“Obama sounds too much like Osama,” said Kayla Nickel of Westlink. “When he says his name, I am like, ‘I am not voting for a Muslim!’
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:29 PM
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2. none of the 2008 Republican front-runners come close to measuring up to President Bush"
Well there's your problem right there. You don't measure UP to Bush. You measure DOWN. I'm sure plenty of them fit that bill!

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:40 PM
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3. My right-wing fundy cousin got the pulpit call from a church in Atlanta ..
Rev. Cuz told the pulpit committee that he would say some things from the pulpit that people wouldn't like. "Amen, pastor!" said the pulpit committee, "You're hired!"

Cuz lasted less than two months at that Atlanta PCA church. He was way too radical, theologically, for anybody there (deacons, elders, pulpit committee, congregation). They ran him back to Alabama, from whence he came.

Now the Rev. Lt. Col. Cuz is in Iraq, as a chaplain. I'm sure he is hoping to get a good view of Armageddon, up close and personal. Knowing Cuz, he might even be greasing the skids for the destruction of humanity by The Almighty.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:12 AM
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4. Too late, just like in Nazi Germany.
95% likely, at this late date, when Madman Caligula Bush can speak openly of his barely concealed desire for DubyaDubyaThree, and no one bats an eyelash.

Like that moment in "I, Claudius" where Caligula declares himself to be a God and that choked moment when the Roman Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid say "ok, we buy that."
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:55 AM
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5. a really interesting read...
long, but interesting.
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