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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:15 PM
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Sirota: Hillary Clinton, NAFTA and Triangulation 2.0
http://action.credomobile.com/sirota/2007/11/hillary_clinton_triangulation.html


Harold Meyerson's column in the Washington Post today is a terrific read - and got me thinking about just how unprincipled and smarmy Hillary Clinton really is here. You'll notice Meyerson reports that "Clinton has yet to take a position" on the NAFTA expansion that will be voted on in the House today.

My guess is that Clinton will vote against the first part of the NAFTA expansion - the Peru Free Trade Agreement. That "no" vote would be a good thing. But her silence in the lead up to the vote is really the bigger story that's already been written, no matter how she ends up voting. She wants to please the Big Money interests who are underwriting her campaign and who are pushing this trade policy, but she also faces an increasingly competitive primary challenge from John Edwards, who has come out strongly against NAFTA-style trade policies (more on Edwards in my upcoming nationally syndicated newspaper column out on Friday).

So my guess is that what's going on is that she has told the lobbyists, corporate executives and other Big Money interests financing her presidential run that she'll stay quiet in the lead up to the vote, so as to not change the dynamic of the vote in Congress by getting more Democrats to oppose the Peru deal. Then, when its clear the deal is going to sail through because folks like her haven't stepped up and been leaders, she'll quietly cast her vote against it, and then during select campaign appearances with select groups, she'll brag about her supposed courage and pretend she took a strong stand for the middle class.

You can call this smart politics, and sure - if Clinton votes against the deal in the end, that's good. But what this really is is Triangulation 2.0. And, as I said, it's unprincipled and smarmy - the opposite of, ya know, "leadership."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:20 PM
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1. She spoke against Alito filibuster in Dem senate caucus then said the next day
she would support it.

She spoke firmly against Iraq withdrawal timetable on the senate floor in June 2006, then Joe Lieberman lost his primary race, she embarked on her presidential primary race and lo and behold, she discovered the merits of a withdrawal timetable.

Funny thing - that senate floor speech is no longer on her site.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:23 PM
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2. Oh My God -
Hillary hasn't jumped out to take a stance on a measure not yet in the senate.

Oh No!

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is falling.

Good grief.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:54 PM
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4. Then she shouldn't keep saying 'I'm a leader' and continually not proving it.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:57 PM
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5. Blah, blah, blah.
Put it away.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:08 PM
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6. Is Dodge City an expensive place to live?
No need to answer - I wouldn't give up my integrity to make a move like that.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:29 PM
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7. I have no clue re: Dodge City??????? n/t
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:27 PM
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3. Hillary has always been a supporter of globalization or neo-liberalism.
I'm always surprised at how many people don't know this. SHE LOVES THE TRADE DEALS. If she votes no it will only be because she knows it can pass without her vote.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:15 PM
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8. Wouldn't be the first time:
She did the same for the last Iraq Funding bill.

I used to believe that a candidate's Voting Record was the ultimate "Tells All" until I started watching CSPAN in 2001. Voting Records are easy to manipulate. Vote Switching and Vote Swapping are rampant. Candidates running for re-election are regularly protected from unpopular votes by their particular caucus allies. The great majority of the votes on a politicians "record" are throw aways. Speaking Out publicly either from the Floor or on the Talking Head Shows BEFORE a vote is much more important that a politician's Voting Record.


Clinton and Obama.....Bunker Boys

"Bunker Boys" is a pejorative term used to describe the cowardly behavior of certain types, usually field officers, during Vietnam. These individuals would cower inside reinforced bunkers while the bullets were flying and the mortars were dropping. AFTER the action was over, they would make an appearance prancing around the battlefield pretending to be brave heroes, posing for the cameras, and recommending themselves for medals. The grunts in the holes knew them for what they were.


Dodd, Kerry, and Feingold STOOD UP and fought DURING the battle.

Clinton and Obama hid behind their SILENCE during the real fighting. Hillary actually RAN from the question at a press conference on Wednesday.
Clinton & Obama stood up ONLY AFTER the battle was over.
They will now parade around showing off their "NO votes like a badge of courage, and some of their campfollowers will applaud them. But the grunts in the holes know the truth."
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:18 PM
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9. This has been her M.O. on everything
FISA, the Iraq Supplemental, the Alito, Roberts, Gonzales -- and now Mukasey -- nominations, the MCA, etc etc etc. She will silently allow any travesty to take place as long as she gets credit for voting against it.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:34 PM
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10. but, but, but....she has such a STRONG,PROGRESSIVE voting record...
:sarcasm:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:37 PM
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11. Just another indication that the "voting record" canard is complete bullshit
Both Hillary and Obama have padded their records by voting the "right" way on foregone conclusions. When's the last time Hillary has been out front on a controversial issue?

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:38 PM
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12. Yep. How much "progressive" legislation was passed when the Republicans controlled both houses? n/t
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:45 PM
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13. They've learned NOTHING
HRC will lose to whomever the rethug nominee is by easily being labeled a "flip flopper", weak, a "pander bear". This is like watching a slow motion train wreck. People will not vote for someone they perceive as weak. In the end that is how a person, unfortunately especially women, are perceived weak! Just take a position any position will do at this point. And simply ram that position down the rethuglican throats day in and day out. That is the lesson the candidates should have learned by now.
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