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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:28 AM
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Liberal Europeans Demand Right to Vote in U.S. Elections
Source: The Brussels Journal

American presidential elections are not “home affairs.” American decisions have repercussions all over the globe. The American mortgage crisis affects banks in Europe. The insatiable American demand for oil makes the Arabian sheiks rich. The American refusal to care for the environment causes the North Pole ice to melt and coastal areas in Asia to flood. A weakened dollar and an immense budget deficit affect the global economy.

Hence, the world should be given the right to vote. Because the current situation is a blatant case of taxation without representation, against which the Americans rebelled in 1776. But of course the world will not be allowed to vote. The best we can hope for is that the Americans choose a leader who is deeply aware of the U.S.’s responsibility, as a superpower, for the rest of mankind.

The international community was able to limit America’s hegemony somewhat through organisations for international consultation, agreements and the corresponding judicial apparatus. But that system is in crisis, partly through the actions of the current American president.

Read more: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2825
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:33 AM
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1. OK. But only if all 300 million of us get to vote in your election as well.
:P
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:35 AM
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3. As, certainly here in the UK, the government is little more....
...than middle-management for the White House. What would be the point in that
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:35 AM
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2. I understand their sentiment, but it doesn't work that way
the best they can do is make sure they use THEIR votes to elect liberal leaders in their countries who pledge to not ally with the united states when it violates basic human principles. That means no Merkels...no Blairs...no Sarkozys...no Howards...etc.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:37 AM
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4. Yeah seriously... Europe needs to take care of its own house first.
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:06 AM
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7. Ain't that the truth! As an european I fully agree with you
If we feel embarrassed of being associated with the policies of the US government then we sohould stop
voting for the vassals and the sycophants whose mission is to enforce NeoCon imperial policies instead
of defending their countries own interests!

this talk of having a stake in US elections is just the easy way of dodging our own responsibilities
and holding accountable the Blairs, Sarkozys and Merkels...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:18 PM
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14. nothing is "domestic" anymore-power is in the hands of globalists
-their multi-national corporate profits-white collar political power and corporate influence and well-laundered crime is everywhere on the globe, not just in America.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:37 AM
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5. They see Bush
and then someone like Huckabee and they are frightened. I understand, I'm frightened too. I wish they could vote in our elections too.

At least they'd elect someone who'd give us health care.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:41 AM
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6. Will I get dual citizenship out of this deal?
And can we get them take over some of our debt?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:28 AM
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8. Bit of spin from the RW Brussels Journals there
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 10:29 AM by muriel_volestrangler
"Liberal Europeans" means Evita Neefs, in an op-ed in De Standaard - http://www.standaard.be/partners/index.asp?articleID=KQ1LV3E7 . Strangely, De Standaard is described as "center-right" by the Washington Post - she is the Foreign Editor for De Standaard.

Google translation of the whole piece:

Between 200,000 and 225,000 Americans, depending on the weather, make an initial selection today between the presidential candidates. That handful of voters also lives in a vast, but very sparsely populated rural state, typically for a portion of the United States, but far from representative of the whole country. That is one of many reasons why the American electoral system by the Americans themselves under fire.

The voters of Iowa are not final choice. It is their compatriots in other states completely free another vote, but history shows that the signal from Iowa powerful enough to the course of the race to change. What therefore happens today in Iowa, is important for the United States.

And for the world. Because the voters of Iowa today also make a selection between the first applicant world leaders. And they are doing that, primarily, on the basis of personality, religion and domestic concerns. Even as a 'foreign policy' already plays a prominent role in a campaign, this policy is assessed from the American self-interest.

But American presidential elections are not "internal affairs". American decisions are up to the farthest corner of the globe felt. The American hypotheekrentecrisis affects banks in Europe. The onstelpbare American thirst for oil makes sjeiks Arab empire. The American reluctance to go to greener life, does ice melt at the North Pole and flooding coastal areas in Asia. A weakened dollar and a towering budget deficit burden on the world economy.

The world should therefore be given a voice. Because the current situation is a blatant case of taxation without representation, which the Americans rebelled in 1776.

But the world gets no vote. The best thing we can expect is that the Americans choose a leader who is aware of the responsibility of the United States, as a superpower, for the rest of mankind.

The international community allowed the American hegemony more or less keep in check through international consultative, and the accompanying judicial agreements. But that system is in crisis, partly caused by the current American president. His successor must re willing and able to lead the international community through multilateral institutions and the will to those bodies to help strengthen and effective. That is crucial for the international welfare and safety.

And so the world can only hope that the handful of Americans in the empty heart of the US today is the correct voting indicates the rest of the United States.


'Demand right to vote' is pretty much bullcrap.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:32 PM
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16. BushPutinists, no matter where they live, follow the same disinformation tactics
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 08:32 PM by tom_paine
For all we know, this is self-referncing nonsense dreamed up by the Office of Strategic Initiatives.

In either case, I wouldn't put too much stock into this nonsense.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:47 AM
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9. Hehehe.. funny
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:00 AM
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10. Just Try Our Crooks in the Hague
That's the best help Europe could be. If we need an intervention, like when we fought Nazis, we'll call on Europe, too.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:27 AM
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11. Only if you let the US be European
If they want to vote in the US election then I get to move to Norway and get inexpensive, comprehensive health care, LOL!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:41 AM
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13. They might let you immigrate anyway
I'm not up on Finnish law but Euros are often fairly liberal about immigrants (with the exception of my home Britain, which is nuts about them).
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:40 AM
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12. I agree with the reasoning
and frankly, saying "we should get to vote in Euro elections too" misses the point. The point is that the US elections affect everything, the world over (not least, shouldn't Iraqi's get to vote since they're effectively the 51st state now?). What Europe does or thinks affects the US very little.

That said, while I agree with the reasoning, the conclusion is short-sighted, naive and just plain dumb. Also, the Brussels Journal is fairly right-wing so I'm not sure how much this should be trusted.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:33 PM
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15. what the colonies are demanding representation.
whats next rebellion.


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