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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:36 PM
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Carded at polls: No photo ID, no vote
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 07:37 PM by RamboLiberal
Source: MSNBC/AP

There's the poor, 32-year-old mother of seven who says it would cost her at least $50 to vote in person. There's also the 92-year-old woman who's voted for decades in the same polling place, but now can't vote there because she let her driver's license expire when her eyesight began to fail.

These folks live in Indiana, home of the country's most restrictive photo-identification voter law. The U.S. Supreme Court is now scrutinizing whether that statute violates the first and 14th amendments, in the most contentious legal battle over voting since the high court issued a bitterly divided decision eight years ago that stopped Florida's recount and handed the presidency to George W. Bush.

If the law is upheld, voting rights advocates fear it will encourage conservative lawmakers across the country to enact equally restrictive measures. The high court's decision is expected in the summer - leaving time to impact November's general election.

Opponents, most of them Democrats, say requiring photo ID at the polls disproportionately affects the poor, the elderly and minorities - the most likely to lack photo identification.

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In states that narrowly lost fights that would force voters to produce this kind of identification, efforts are already underway to resurrect those more restrictive laws - in anticipation of a favorable ruling from the high court.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22806147/



Another cog in the Repukes wheel of stealing elections!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:38 PM
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1. I wonder how many white people this will effect.
Too few, probably. Otherwise they might get a clue as to what's happening to America.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:45 PM
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14. here's some amusing stories...

Computer Glitches Frustrating Voters
By Alan Cooperman and Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 7, 2006; 6:52 PM

Brian Mason, spokesman for the Colorado Democratic Party, said the computers crashed and shut down the poll book, an electronic database of registered voters. Initially, voters were offered provisional ballots. Then the ballots ran out.
"Hundreds of voters were not allowed to vote this morning because of the computer problems," Mason said.
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In South Carolina, Gov. Mark Sanford (R), seeking a second term, initially was turned away from his polling site because he had not brought proper identification. His campaign manager, Jason Miller, said the governor arrived at his voting location, on Sullivan's Island near Charleston, shortly before 10 a.m. with his driver's license but not his voter registration card. His license, Miller said, was not acceptable because it contained the address for the governor's mansion, not his home address.
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A judge ordered polling places to remain open late tonight in all 75 precincts of Indiana's Delaware County, northeast of Indianapolis, because the electronic voting machines there were programmed for the wrong ballot, a spokesman for the Indiana secretary of state's office said.
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In Camden County, N.J., about 30 out of 700 voting machines were reported out of order.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/07/AR2006110700876.html


Arizona / West
Computer glitch halts online voter sign-up
By Paul Davenport
The Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 01.08.2008
PHOENIX — A national motor-vehicle computer network malfunctioned Monday, preventing Arizona's online voter-registration system from being used on the last day to register to vote in the state's presidential primary.
Midnight Monday was the deadline for registering for Arizona's Feb. 5 primary.
It wasn't known how many Arizonans were unable to use the online registration system because of the unexplained problem with the national network.
But more than 5,000 either registered or changed their registrations over the weekend, a state election official said.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/news/219552.php


Computer glitch turns thousands away at Ohio BMV offices
Updated at 7:41 a.m.
COLUMBUS, O. (AP) – A computer glitch forced the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles to turn away thousands of people seeking to get a driver's license or a state identification card.


Monday's glitch was part of a nationwide problem with a computer server at the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, which acts as a portal through which all states must access federal databases before ID cards or licenses can be issued.

During the Monday slowdown, BMV agencies across Ohio issued only 35 driver's licenses and state identification cards. On a normal Monday, the state processes 10,000.
BMV spokeswoman Julie Ehrhart says Ohio residents should call ahead this week to make sure the system is working.
http://www.timesreporter.com/index.php?ID=77760&r=12


Latest News - Updated @ 3:44 P.m.
Computer glitch jeopardizes citizen initiatives
Are skewing petition signature counts to point it may keep them off Nov. ballots
By Paige St. John
Florida Capital Bureau
Originally posted on January 09, 2008
TALLAHASSEE — A glitch lurking within Florida’s new $23 million computer voter system is skewing the count of petition signatures — some by so much the error threatens to keep some of them from the November ballot.
By state law, organizations running citizen initiatives to change the state constitution have until Feb. 1 to collect more than 611,009 voter signatures to put their issues on the ballot.

In November, state election officials privately told county election supervisors the petition signature counts Florida was reporting — and that initiative campaigns rely on to keep track of where they are in the process — were wrong.

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Instead of figuring out the error, the Department of State has asked county election supervisors to go back through four years of records and resubmit their own tallies. They have until Jan. 11 to do so, and that number will then become the official figure from which counting resumes.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/NEWS0107/80109051


Election workers scrambling to fix absentee ballots
Last updated on: 1/11/2008 6:36:47 PM by Cara Sapida

LEE COUNTY: A computer glitch sent more than 3000 absentee ballots out to Lee County voters with the wrong name. Now workers at the Lee County Supervisor of Elections office are working overtime to fix the error and make sure every vote counts.


http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=16850&z=3&p=


Were you satisfied with your -fill-in-the-blank- voting machine?
Yes
No
Still not sure
Your vote has been counted, thank you for voting
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:39 PM
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2. Time to get some pitchforks and torches and take this country back
Our peaceful marches and petitions and boycots and letter-writing have failed.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:28 AM
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17. Start forking the SCJ first
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:43 PM
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3. States that require photo IDs should provide them--for FREE.
IF they're really serious about the reason being solely to ensure that the person and the name on the rolls match, that is.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:56 PM
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7. It's not even the matter of a fee for the card
although that would make it an unconstitutional poll tax. There is also the fact that getting to the DMV or wherever they would be produced is a great hassle for some people (the mother of many children in the OP, for example, who would need a babysitter). Add to that the fact that every time you move, you would have to get a new one. If you don't drive, are disabled, work odd hours, have heavy family responsibilities, or for many other reasons, it's more of a burden than the state should impose on people who just want to exercise their right to vote.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:20 PM
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13. They should provide the ID when the voter REGISTERS to vote.
When you move, you have to re-register. Just make it part of the process.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:02 AM
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16. That wouldn't work where you can register at the polls
Wisconsin and several other states allow voters to register or reregister at the polls on election day. This is a wonderful system, not the least because in states that require prior registration, what would you do if your registration is lost or screwed up? Lose your vote for that election, most likely, through no fault of your own. That's unacceptable. Here if you are not on the list for some reason, the poll workers will register you, no problem. But it wouldn't be feasible to have photographic equipment at each ward and produce ID cards on the spot.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:47 PM
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4. political parties spend hundreds of millions of dollars on campaigns....
This is an opportunity for them to do some actual good in the world-- making certain that everyone otherwise eligible to vote has the necessary identification. In states with restrictive voter ID laws, local GOTV efforts should include voter ID assistance for the poor, elderly, disabled, and so on. Assuming that the court upholds the Indiana law, of course. This need not be a serious impediment to voters.

Note that I'm not expressing support for these sorts of laws-- they're a thinly veiled attempt to disenfranchise voters. Rather, I think that they can be circumvented if the will exists.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:48 PM
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5. There is the possibility that this makes no difference,
Since we have started using electronic voting without paper trails how do we know anybodies vote counts. How can we be sure that the machines haven't been "hacked" and the results of the election are predetermined. Maybe the fix is in.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:54 PM
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6. The New Poll Tax
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:58 PM
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8. Don't they have absentee voting in Indiana? How do they handle people
who can't get to the polls or are out of town?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:19 PM
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11. From OP article
Voters who use mail-in ballots are not required to show photo ID.

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7 of 11 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:00 PM
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9. How will the people pushing for this
control the absentee ballots?
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:14 PM
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10. Sounds like a back-door poll tax to me.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:20 PM
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12. I am a precinct judge in Texas and I hope we never have to have to ask for a
photo ID.

I don't like it.

One can vote here with several forms of ID.

Just another way of keeping people from voting.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:53 PM
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15. K&R...why no other Recommends?
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chrisrobbins Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:57 PM
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18. Some voters were born out of Indiana
Which means they would be forced to travel out of state and try to get their birth certificate. Just too much hassle, and many poor might not get a day off from work to do this.
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