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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:50 AM
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NYTimes' Paul Krugman: (On Not Heeding the) Lessons of 1992
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 07:55 AM by libbygurl
The only remaining credible columnist on the pages of the New York Times reminds us of what things were really like, politics-wise, in 1992.

(Emphasis mine)


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Op-Ed Columnist

Lessons of 1992

By PAUL KRUGMAN


Published: January 28, 2008



It’s starting to feel a bit like 1992 again. A Bush is in the White House, the economy is a mess, and there’s a candidate who, in the view of a number of observers, is running on a message of hope, of moving past partisan differences, that resembles Bill Clinton’s campaign 16 years ago.

(...)

Whatever hopes people might have had that Mr. Clinton would usher in a new era of national unity were quickly dashed. Within just a few months the country was wracked by the bitter partisanship Mr. Obama has decried.

This bitter partisanship wasn’t the result of anything the Clintons did. Instead, from Day 1 they faced an all-out assault from conservatives determined to use any means at hand to discredit a Democratic president.

For those who are reaching for their smelling salts because Democratic candidates are saying slightly critical things about each other, it’s worth revisiting those years, simply to get a sense of what dirty politics really looks like.

No accusation was considered too outlandish: a group supported by Jerry Falwell put out a film suggesting that the Clintons had arranged for the murder of an associate, and The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page repeatedly hinted that Bill Clinton might have been in cahoots with a drug smuggler.

So what good did Mr. Clinton’s message of inclusiveness do him?


(...)


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Read the entire article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/opinion/28krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


(Edited title for clarity)


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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:03 AM
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1. Losing his credibility with each pandering kiss to Hillary.
Is Krugman that desperate for a job in her administration?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:14 AM
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2. Reading between the lines?
Because it certainly wasn't what was in the printed text. :shrug: :eyes:
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:15 AM
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3. Now, why would he need to do that? The man has had a successful writing career on his own. Just...
...because he isn't jumping on the overloaded anti-Clinton bandwagon like majority of the media are doing doesn't mean he's so desperate about his career and wants something from them. Please take your blinders off, my friend.

Has it ever occurred to you that he mightjust be seeing things with a clearer perspective from the rest of the pundits, whose vision is constantly obscured by the fog of unreasonable anti-Clinton hatred? Go through Mr Krugman's previous columns over the years and tell me who else has been writing more genuinely about economic issues amongst the Maureen Dowds, the Frank Riches, etc. of the once-highly esteemed NYT (it's still hanging on to that title thanks only to writers like Krugman).

Thank you.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:17 AM
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4. Besides, I saw NO mention of Hillary anywhere in the article. Did you see something I didn't? nt
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 08:17 AM by libbygurl
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:23 AM
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5. Sorry, where did you get that?
I just finished reading the whole piece myself and I have no idea what you are referring to.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:45 AM
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13. Hmmm...I just read Krugman's article in its entirety...
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 11:48 AM by Raster
Perhaps you are reading something or reading something into it that I am not.

The last paragraph is golden:

What the Democrats should do is get back to talking about issues — a focus on issues has been the great contribution of John Edwards to this campaign — and about who is best prepared to push their agenda forward. Otherwise, even if a Democrat wins the general election, it will be 1992 all over again. And that would be a bad thing.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:44 PM
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20. Clinton/Obama can't afford to start discussing "The Issues"....
They would throw the election to Edawrds.
Clinton/Obama MUST keep this election about the Horse Race, and "Hope" or "Change" but NEVER discuss "Issues".


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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:51 PM
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25. I completely agree. Discussing "issues" would lead to many, many more embarrassing questions
about the true structure and intent of our government and our elected representatives. And we can't have that, now can we?

I'll say again, American politicians like the American electorate fat, dumb and happy. Just like cattle headed for slaughter.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:02 PM
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21. "The point is that while there are valid reasons one might support Mr. Obama over Mrs. Clinton ..."
That sounds like pandering to Hillary to *you*?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:08 AM
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28. AFAIK he supports Edwards n/t
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:27 AM
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6. Krugman does hit some valid points.
I recall Republicans (Gingrich?) crowing right after the election in '92 that they were going to go after Clinton on Day 1, and not let up for a minute. They didn't. I think whoever the nominee is can look forward to the same treatment.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:59 AM
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19. Yup. Krugman isn't fooling himself about the ruthlessness of the GOP, again! nt
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:04 AM
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7. The American Fascist Policy is set to forever entrench the Corporate
control of every resource, and to bleed every last memory of democratic idealism from the Public soul. Mission Accomplished will be acheived when wealth is concentrated at the top and there are no stratifications underneath. This enslavement will be mostly voluntary, even though that is hard to believe. This enslavement will not be permanent because the Earth's resources are finite, and will intensify inhospitable living conditions.

Welcome to the New World Globalization, Citizen. Master bids you Greetings for your brief stay.

NoFederales
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:31 AM
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8. The question becomes what do we do in 2009 when our new
president is under attack 24/7 from Matthews and Blitzer right down to every local Limpballs wannabe. I have some ideas...
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:57 AM
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18. Oh, do tell, please! nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:05 AM
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9. recommend.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:57 AM
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17. Thank you! We need a different, more realistic outlook on things here! nt
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:33 AM
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10. This highlights the "fairy tale" nature of the Obama campaign
He calls out that the Clinton is "too divisive" and thus would be a hindrance in the White House as nothing would get done, promoting the absurd notion that if he were president, all of that would magically disappear in a cloud of cheery non-partisan hand-holding.

The reality is that conservative hatred is going to be directed at any Democrat in office, and Obama is demonstrating by the day that he is wholly unprepared for the coming shit-storm that is the right-wing agenda.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:55 AM
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16. Exactly. The Obama people need to wake up to the grim reality of the GOP, methinks. nt
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:36 AM
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11. K&R I was thinking along the exact same lines today
Before I read this thread I posted this on DU:

Barack Obama is the 2008 version of Bill Clinton's 1992 "New Democrat"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4244229&mesg_id=4245615
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:46 AM
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14. Wow, indeed you were! Excellent points made, TR. Thanks! nt
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:43 AM
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12. "many Obama supporters also seem far too ready to demonize their opponents"
I have a difficult time trying to find actual issues Obama's supporters are fundamentally prepared to discuss.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:54 AM
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15. I find far too many of them to be...
...much too defensive most of the time, pushing all this 'inspiration', 'change' and 'fresh face' stuff all the time. Right now, we need someone more practical, competent, who knows the ropes, and who'll hit the ground running on his/her first day. Personally, I've given up looking for more meaty discussions from them on DU or anywhere else on the 'net, since it's all about the saintliness and exceptionalism of their perfect candidate. (I know that the one I support isn't perfect - no one is!)
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:16 PM
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23. issues?
edwards, hillary and Obama are very similar on most issues. the big difference are in their personalities, leadership styles, and rhetoric, among other factors and "intangibles".

we have 3 great liberals running great campaigns, but the policy differences are very minor. besides, Gore and Kerry spent a lot of time detailing the issues and the nuances of their policy plans. I don't remember that working out too well.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:32 PM
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24. your'e right !
and that is precisely why I compare them (some) to the Bush followers...there is no discussion..just knee jerk name calling..I can't tell you how many times I;ve been called a racist since I joined DU. very sad.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:05 PM
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22. "... unwritten rules, which seem to have been newly created for the occasion ..."
Aren't they all?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:26 PM
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26. kick
:kick:
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WistfulAssassin Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:07 PM
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27. We seem to forget that Clinton united the country
And if you doubt it, ask Bob Dole. He got his butt kicked. You can't kick butt without gathering the support of many segments of the population.
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