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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:42 PM
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Much Ado About No Delegates
Source: Washington Post

Cheering supporters? Check. Election returns on the projection screen? Check. Andrea Mitchell and Candy Crowley doing stand-ups? Check and check. In fact, the only piece missing from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's Florida victory party here Tuesday night was a victory.

Yes, Clinton (N.Y.), as expected, beat Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) by a wide margin in the Democratic primary in Florida. But all the Democratic candidates had agreed months ago to boycott the contest after the Democratic National Committee stripped Florida of its delegates to punish the state for moving up its primary date. The result was a primary without purpose, a show about nothing.

But in a political stunt worthy of the late Evel Knievel, the Clinton campaign decided to put on an ersatz victory party that, it hoped, would erase memories of Obama's actual victory Saturday night in South Carolina's Democratic primary. "Thank you, Florida Democrats!" Clinton shouted to the cheering throng. "I am thrilled to have this vote of confidence."

It was a perfect reproduction of an actual victory speech, delivered at a perfectly ersatz celebration at a perfectly pretend location: a faux Italianate palace with lion sculptures, indoor fountains and a commanding view of Interstate 595. The Signature Grand ("Elegant Weddings and Grand Social Occasions") was also holding receptions Tuesday night for a pediatric practice and for a group of optometry students, but the Clinton campaign was the biggest draw: It filled the Silver Palm Room, the Golden Palm Room and the Emerald Palm Room.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/29/AR2008012902998.html
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:45 PM
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1. wow! thanking people for voting you is a CRIME against humanity now? nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:50 PM
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5. I think he was talking about...
the 'staged' victory. Kind of like Bush on the air-craft carrier.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:56 PM
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8. Ahhh...but was she sporting a 'codpiece'? LOL!
Ahhh...but was she sporting a 'codpiece'? LOL!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:15 AM
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11. it was a mocking hit piece. Shameful
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:47 PM
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2. Ouch. n/t
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:47 PM
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3. How much was spent on this exercise in futility, all told? nt
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:52 PM
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6. Not futile
We all know those delegates will be seated. And Florida and Michigan will remember which candidate appreciated their votes (or at least claimed to), and which candidates blew them off.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:09 AM
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9. You mean which candidates played by the rules
and which tried to rewrite them for self gain.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:16 AM
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12. NO rules broken as she called for a reconsideration of the ruling.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:49 PM
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4. Just because the party didn't like the date ...
doesn't mean the people who voted are 'bad' voters - nor, does it mean, they will not be counted - check the convention rules.

But, keep dissing them, I'm sure that will win them over to your cause.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:53 PM
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7. why would you suggest that people...
who vote are 'bad voters'. And, yes..those votes do not count in the nomination process. The Florida State Party is responsible for Floridians votes not counting..per 'the rules'. Maybe this post will help

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4275513&mesg_id=4275513
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:10 AM
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10. The voters in both states were and are being screwn by
the party machinery.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 AM
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13. Great article.
:thumbsup:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:36 AM
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14.  heh.... if one can forgive fornication
why not this? After all - it's MY oval office I'm running for! Check 'n see if my name isn't on the underside of the CIC's chair. It's written in Revlon Livid Red lipstick - at least, I THINK that's the shade I used! :grr:
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dominicoyandor Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:52 AM
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15. Article written by Edwards and Clinton hater Dana Milbank
Who wrote a hit piece on both recently in the Washington Post.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:09 PM
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16. No delegates, to be sure ... but no election?
Is that what the WaPo is saying--that the dems that went to vote didn't really vote, that there really was no election? After all, no victory implies there was nothing to win--and while there may not have been an office, or delegates, there were still votes. One can win a straw poll, I think the writers would agree.

So it was a victory, even if nobody actually campaigned and no delegates were at stake. However, it is a victory internal to the FL DP unless the minor deities that be change their minds. It was disturbing that I had to rummage in the MSM to even see who won it--it was as though the DNC had told papers not to even acknowledge it, that the opinions of several hundred thousand dems not only didn't matter, but, being inconvenient, simply didn't exist ... lest they "contaminate" the otherwise pristine pool of public(ly approved) opinion. To the much ballyhooed reality-based and faith-based realities, and the already emerging hope-based reality, we can now add the DNC-approved reality. (Three realities in one party ... truly a "big tent".)

The national party organization has the right to make the decision it wants to, and I have no opinion about that. The press also has the opinion to print what it wants. But that doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion about the press.
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