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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:48 AM
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The Myth of Voter Fraud
Editorial
NY Times

Missouri and at least 19 other states are considering passing laws that would force people to prove their citizenship before they can vote. These bills are not a sincere effort to prevent noncitizens from voting; that is a made-up problem. The real aim is to reduce turnout by eligible voters. Republicans seem to think that laws of this kind will help them win elections, but burdensome rules like these — and others cropping up around the country — pose a serious threat to democracy and should be stopped.

The Missouri legislature is ... on the verge of passing an amendment to the State Constitution that would require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote. In addition to the Missouri amendment, which would require voter approval, Florida, Kansas, South Carolina and other states are considering similar rules.


There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem. Illegal immigrants do their best to remain in the shadows, to avoid attracting government attention and risking deportation. It is hard to imagine that many would walk into a polling place, in the presence of challengers and police, and try to cast a ballot.

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As with Missouri’s proposed amendment, the driving force behind strict voter ID requirements in general is not a genuine effort to prevent fraud, since there is virtually no evidence that in-person voter fraud is occurring. It is, rather, the Republican Party’s electoral calculations. Barriers at the polls drive down voter turnout, especially among the poor, racial minorities and students — groups that are less likely than average to have driver’s licenses, and that are more likely than average to vote Democratic.

NY Times
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:54 AM
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1. Just tell everybody to get a &^%* ID. They only costs three dollars!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:01 AM
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3. The Democratic activist groups register people who may be homeless
There is no reason to put that burden on them. They are Americans. They deserve to vote.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:02 AM
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4. Did you forget your sarcasm smiley?
"One Missouri voter, Lillie Lewis, said at a news conference last week that officials in Mississippi, where she was born, told her they had no record of her birth."

So three dollars isn't the only hurdle people have to jump over. There's traveling to the state office from wherever you live, taking off from work to do it, god forbid you're not elderly or disabled, and three dollars is almost an hour's pay for a minimum wage worker anyway. Surely you were being sarcastic.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:03 AM
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5. Well,
The elderly for one group do sometimes have a problem with not having a birth certificate to get a state issued ID. I had this discussion with my State Rep and his own Mother, who voted all her life does not have a birth certificate (either never did or it was lost over the years and isn't replaceable) so she (in her 90's) cannot vote. So it's not always as simple as just paying the $3.00 for an ID. I have a photo stat of my birth certificate from the hospital from when I was born and it was no longer acceptable to get my driver's license her in Missouri. So I had to go to the County Records office to get a stamped copy (which much less information on it) copy of my birth certificate only to find that in order to prove who I was, I had to produce my Driver's License (which is why I needed the Birth Certificate in the first place). BTW the copy of the certificate was $15.00 along with the extra trip (now at $4.00 per gallon) to get the pretty little piece of paper. Driver's licenses in Missouri are more than $3.00 each I might add as well.

If this passes, I will need my Driver's License to vote

This isn't about protecting the election process, homeland security, illegal aliens or any of the supposed reasons. It is about poll taxes and voter suppression using the State Constitution to do so.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:04 AM
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6. Cost is not always the barrier, its requirement to prove idenitiy and then administrative delay.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:51 AM
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7. It's not that simple. You have to have the proper documentation to prove
who you are in the first place to get the ID. Many people do not have the necessary proof. Then there is the hassle of getting someplace on public transportation and matching your schedule to some arbitrary office hours. To say nothing to missing work that you can't afford to miss.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:56 AM
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2. "These rules are an assault on democracy itself." The NYT speaks the truth.
It's such a travesty, esp. that the Supreme Court is now in approval-mode of vote suppression. Let's see if the legislators, citizens groups, et al in these states fight back.
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