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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 04:28 AM
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War On Iraq Or War On Terror?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/politics/main607570.shtml

On the one-year anniversary of the war in Iraq, two more American soldiers are dead. There were more explosions in Baghdad. Sirens whaled. On the other side of the world, George W. Bush stood calm, proud yet somber in tone, speaking before diplomats from the 84 nations currently comprising the coalition.

In an address carried live by the networks, Mr. Bush said in the East Room of the White House that Iraq was better off, one year later, that the war on terrorism was inseparable from the war in Iraq, that the coalition must see this war through to the end.

The president listed allies like Estonia and Poland and mispronounced a Japanese diplomat's name. He was far more multilateral in language today than in the months leading up to the March 19, 2003, U.S. invasion of Iraq. And he was as determined as ever.

"The terrorists understand their own interest in the fate of that country," said Mr. Bush, speaking of Iraq. "For them, the connection between Iraq's future and the course of the war on terror is very clear. They understand that a free Iraq will be a devastating setback to their ambitions of tyranny over the Middle East and they have made the failure of democracy in Iraq one of their primary objectives."

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 04:37 AM
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1. History will also judge the Chimp very harshly
Nothing but death and destruction will come from this war.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:19 AM
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2. actually, it's increasingly clear that the war in Iraq has fueled the
terrorist's ability to gather more followers, by proving that the US is capable of repeated and completely unjust violent actions resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of "brown-skinned" people in non-western headwear.

bush completely played into the terrorist's plan. the plan to draw us into more injustice. the plan to shake the foundation of democracy. the plan to show how scared half-assed oil-minded bullies from the US will always do completely stupid things when confronted with difficult dicisions. OUR REAL PRESIDENT GORE WOULD NEVER HAVE FALLEN FOR THIS RUSE.

i have no doubt if Gore had been allowed to finish the recount and discover he had been elected, we would never have suffered the attacks of september 11th, 2001, and we would have bin laden in custody or in the grave at this very moment.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:33 AM
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3. absolutely right, bad as Saddam was, bet your ass there were no
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terrorists in Iraq.

I guess to some HE was "their" terrorist, but that's a different matter.

AND

all this "insurgence" in Iraq is most likely not terrorist related, although admittedly the terrorist will be flocking in, even if they just hide away, recruit and train

- I mean, the borders are pretty well wide open now, and even li'l ole me can figure if the US is getting mortared bombed and shot int their HEADQUARTERS of all places, then they are definitely NOT in control.

The only thing saving the US's ass right now is that alot of these attacks are small disjointed groups, but they ARE getting more organized, as the US waffles around with fewer troops than they need (I know, I don't think they should be there in the first place either) to control over 20,000,000 people.

Gotta remember there's 10's of thousands of Iraqis who have lost family and loved ones due to the Invasion, and the US staying in their country makes them is a perfect target for their anger and revenge, never mind the groups vying for Political power . .

By "celebrating" the one year anniversary of the invasion, the whole world realizes that after a year, a YEAR later, no WMD's . .

and it was the threat of WMD's that "sold" the war to those that participated. .

Well,

Bribes and Threats too . .
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:55 AM
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4. what I wonder is, and I shake my head with incredulous shock to this day
how in the world, with so much information out there on the Web, did so many top notch journalists and officials at every level just fall for the tripe being spewed out by the Bu$h propoganda machine..
My god, Im some 52 yr old lady in a small town in Michigan and I knew from day ONE it was horseshit, all one had to do was look for the information if they really wanted to..all one had to do was use common sense and connect some dots along the way
DU had information all over the place, and they were dead on about it all, and we decried it painfully as we watched the media fall on their cutting edge swords and die, and continue to spin the lies.
As each lie was exposed to us with hard facts and information, they still continued.
I fault not only the media, but the laziness of many Dems and all the Repubs in high positions who had to have been smart enough to know better, or at least been wise enough to dig up the truth on their own..it would have taken one research assistant to look for it in one day..for christs sake!
But even now many of these folks scratch their heads and wonder why they were lied to, continue to say the buck doesnt stop anywhere, and continue , in many cases, to keep spinning the lies by covering them up with more lies.
Its mind boggling. Who in their right mind can condone 20,000 or more dead civilians, thousands of wounded soldiers, and hundreds of dead soldiers, and not want to know the truth about it all?
Is it so hard to embrace the truth for these people? so hard to wrap their minds around the fact that the USA policy in this is flawed, wrong, and outright murder, and that they themselves are the bad guys in this? is it ego? laziness? greed? power?
As I said, if an old lady like me in Michigan can type Office of Special Plans and PNAC into google , so can some assistant to a senator in DC...its not that hard.
It just leads to utter despair for me daily to see the lies, so many of them all day long on TV to this day, and so many covering up for this administration even now. My husband is so physically ill from it I cant get him to eat and he sits in a bewildered sadness thats beyond my reach now.
Its especially difficult knowing they took our child to this bloodbath, we dont believe in living in denial, and its maddening to hear the news anchors night after night embracing the lies.
If my husband dies from this sadness, and the way he looks now, sick, coughing, terrified daily that his son will die, crying all the time, angry, forgetful, depressed beyond measure, I will lose him.
I dont want to be a widow again, Ive already been through that. But if my husband or my stepson is maimed from this, I will point my finger solidly at the White House, as I do now, and blame the real terrorists who sit in DC...and blame those who chose lies over truth that sit in the media, and sit in the US , complacent and lacking the werewithal to look for the truth.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:15 AM
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5. " blame the real terrorists who sit in DC." - you got it
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And that's EXACTLY how they did the Korea and Vietnam thing, putting FEAR into the average person, well back then it was COMMUNISM that was the big "evil" that they sold to the people to get their tax dollar to have their wars.

I listened to Georgie-boy today, telling the world that we ALL (other countries) are in danger from terrorists and their was "no middle ground" - the old "your with us or your against us" mentality.

Rather than blather on about what we already know, I will tell you my fears.

I have not one iota of fear of GeeDubya's "terrorists".

My terrorists live right across the border, in a big white building and another with 5 sides and running a great country right into the ground.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT GATES AROUND OUR GOVERNMENT EITHER, GEORGE!

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:14 AM
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6. Mari
I hope your step son makes it out OK both physically and mentally and that your husband will be alright, as well.

War is not the answer. Bushco should have spent the American Middle Class tax money and sent troops on hunting down Al Q. instead of waging war on Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of us here know why these invasion occurred and it is real maddening. Unfortunately, even if Kerry is elected I don't feel that the US will leave Iraq or Afghanistan. The commitments have been made by the Oligarch that really runs America and Kerry will stay the course. Iraq may blow up though if all the various factions there decide to move against the Occupation.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:36 AM
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7. I have to take Noam Chomskys stance on Kerry at this point
Edited on Sat Mar-20-04 07:37 AM by Mari333
Noam Chomsky, the political theorist and leftwing guru, yesterday gave his reluctant endorsement to the Democratic party's presidential contender, John Kerry, calling him "Bush-lite", but a "fraction" better than his rival.
Professor Chomsky - a linguist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology as well as a renowned chronicler of American foreign policy - said there were "small differences" between Senator Kerry and the Republican president. But, in an interview on the Guardian's politics website, he added that those small differences "can translate into large outcomes".





http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1174017,00.html
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 01:42 PM
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9. We're all with you Mari
I was moved by what you wrote. I too am always on the verge of despair over what is happening to our country, but I overcome it with determination. I can't imagine how I would feel if someone I loved was taken to the bloodbath of Iraq.

All I can say is that all of us at DU and millions of your fellow citizens are passionately working towards reclaiming our democracy and ending the misguided militarism that tragically affects so many lives.

To your husband I would say do not despair. Take courage from the fact that we are not helpless, that if we reach out to all our friends, relatives, neighbors, and co-workers with the truth about what is happening, we can change the course of our nation and build a better future.

There is reason for hope; not only for our nation but for your son as well. The vast majority of our soldiers will come home to their families, so do not despair. Instead, prepare for your son's homecoming; he will need your strength and your love.

There is a future, and it will only be as good as we can make it.
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DubyaSux Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 10:07 AM
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8. Clearly it's a war on Iraq
When mistakes are made, not everything goes as planned.

Not one thing the Bush administration has told us in regards to Iraq has been proven to be true.

You can't mistakenly get it ALL wrong.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:27 AM
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10. INDEED
even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
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