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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:11 AM
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A Wretched New Picture of America
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2040-2004May4.html

Among the corrosive lies a nation at war tells itself is that the glory -- the lofty goals announced beforehand, the victories, the liberation of the oppressed -- belongs to the country as a whole; but the failure -- the accidents, the uncounted civilian dead, the crimes and atrocities -- is always exceptional. Noble goals flow naturally from a noble people; the occasional act of barbarity is always the work of individuals, unaccountable, confusing and indigestible to the national conscience.

This kind of thinking was widely in evidence among military and political leaders after the emergence of pictures documenting American abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison. These photographs do not capture the soul of America, they argued. They are aberrant.

This belief, that the photographs are distortions, despite their authenticity, is indistinguishable from propaganda. Tyrants censor; democracies self-censor. Tyrants concoct propaganda in ministries of information; democracies produce it through habits of thought so ingrained that a basic lie of war -- only the good is our doing -- becomes self-propagating.

But now we have photos that have gone to the ends of the Earth, and painted brilliantly and indelibly, an image of America that could remain with us for years, perhaps decades. An Army investigative report reveals that we have stripped young men (whom we purported to liberate) of their clothing and their dignity; we have forced them to make pyramids of flesh, as if they were children; we have made them masturbate in front of their captors and cameras; forced them to simulate sexual acts; threatened prisoners with rape and sodomized at least one; beaten them; and turned dogs upon them.


This opinion piece (found in the WP Style section) really sums up well all of the horrors about these torture incidents, as well as the portrait it has painted of the U.S. across the globe, particularly in former colonies of other Western nations.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:19 AM
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1. I fear Joe Sixpack will not be swayed by sex and torture.
Are sex and torture the only way to bring down the neocons? I still can't get over feeling that Joe Sixpack will secretly think this international scandal (sex and torture of Iraqis) is a good thing.
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gula Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:55 AM
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7.  Today's poll in the Globe & Mail
Do you believe revelations of prisoner abuse by U.S. troops in Iraq will turn American public opinion against the war?


Yes
6785 votes (60 %)

No
4481 votes (40 %)

You are obviously not alone. Pretty scary.


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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:25 PM
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8. which begs the question
what kind of monsters are we becoming and what kind of monsters are we following and worshiping.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:14 AM
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10. This is what happens when the masses follow TV Preachers!
Edited on Thu May-06-04 12:14 AM by The Zanti Regent
The Same TV Preachers who bullshit about Jesus but in reality follow Ayn Rand!
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:20 AM
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2. Doesn't This Also Speak To The Intolerance Of The Fundamentalists?
We hear repeatedly that one is either with us or against us.

We hear repeatedly of a wrathful and vengeful god.

We hear repeatedly the message of intolerance for those that don't believe.

One could conclude that the arrogance and pride displayed by Bush and his brand of Christianity is merely a reflection of the message and belief his faith preaches.

One could also conclude that prisoner abuse is a natural consequence of his brand of religion. Evil must be punished at all costs.

In other words the heinous crimes of torture should be expected and should not come as a surprise to anyone.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:45 AM
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4. Agreed
That's just what I posted elsewhere on DU just this morning -- that *'s "with us or with the terrorists" mantra is the guiding principle likely driving the treatment of Iraqis, Afghanis, and any other non-coalition peoples.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:40 AM
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3. Thanks for posting that
It was buried in the Style Section! so I might not have seen it in my Washington Post this morning.
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:50 AM
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5. De Nada
Interestingly enough, the author is the Postie who normally handles classical music and other fine arts topics.

:hi:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 09:59 AM
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6. Powerful
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:58 PM
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9. The charcter of a nation -
- can be summed up by its deeds. The U.S.A. is large and diverse, yet if we have any national identity it is collective. The torture and sadism at Abu Ghraib is not an aberration because it was carried out by Americans under government/military auspices.

Our national character encompasses the best and the worst that we do, and our worst has been exposed for all the world to see. Our society produced the individuals and the hierarchy that committed these crimes, therefore it is part of our national character.

Punishing a few perpetrators will not redeem what has been done in all our names.
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