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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:18 AM
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Bush Circles Wagons, But Cavalry Has Joined the Indians
Has Humpty Dumpty taken a fall?

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U.S. President George W. Bush, backed by his vice president and national security adviser, have been circling the wagons around Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld since the White House told reporters that the president had given him a mild rebuke over the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq.

But the embattled Pentagon chief may have made too made enemies -- particularly within his armed forces -- to be saved.

While Bush praised Rumsfeld for ”doing a superb job” during a rare visit to the Pentagon Monday morning, his words were somehow unable to overcome the distinct sounds of knives being sharpened in the hallways just outside, as well as across town on Capitol Hill and at the State Department, where Secretary of State (and former army general) Colin Powell compared the possible impact on U.S. foreign policy of the abuse photographs to the 1969 disclosure of the infamous My Lai Massacre in Vietnam.

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23676

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:20 AM
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1. someone said the phrase "I support Mr/Ms ____" is the
kiss of death in DC

remains to be seen, but i'm still betting memorial day weekend Rummy will be gone
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:28 AM
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2. Why doesn't junior get it?
"Top army officers have also made little secret of their resentment of the way Rumsfeld and Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz -- who, like other top Pentagon civilians in the Bush administration, have never served in combat -- dismissed the former Army Chief of Staff, Gen. Eric Shinseki.

Shinseki presciently warned before the war that at least 200,000 troops would be needed to occupy Iraq after an invasion. Wolfowitz denounced that estimate as ''wildly off the mark'', while, in a major break with tradition, neither Rumsfeld nor Wolfowitz attended Shinseki's farewell ceremony where he cautioned against ''a 12-division strategy for a 10-division army''.

What began as the shouts of a few top retired officers when the first Abu Ghraib photos were published ten days ago has now become a veritable clamour. The Army Times editorial is just the latest, if most striking, example."

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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:49 AM
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3. This boy has been in denial his whole life-
Now he's in deep denial. He may be moving into anger since he had the full monty shoved in his face. This phase of boy george may be the scariest yet. I don't have good feelings about any of this. I'm worried that * is being cornered and that is not good. As pressure increases on him there needs to be an exit for him. This man is capable of taking us all down in anger. If you pray, do it - if you don't be worried.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:36 AM
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6. junior is painting himself into a corner.
I see that your a Texas A&M student or professor. I do have a question that I hope you can answer. And that is; Do you see a change of heart of most Texans in your School and the town you live? I'm in Midland and do see a trend going for change. But most folks here are in deep denial also.

I'm worried, or deeply concerned.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:30 PM
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8. Naught, naught, naught, seven, your-
intellegence is off. I live near College Station but am not a student or a professor althought I've been accused of the latter. I think that there is some movement in the TAMU student body. It's hard to gauge since Aggies tend to be real conservative in their voting otherwise the tend to be party animals. The volumn is down along with the bravado - I think they are shaken to the core if not he corps. (to nonTexans the Corp of Cadets at Texas A and M is a sacred tradition-ROTC plus.)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:59 AM
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4. Remember that boss you worked for who sucked every
ounce of blood out of the people he supervised and managed to increase his production numbers even though the morale of the office took a dive and created a sweat-shop environment? Well, what's happening to Rumsfeld, is what we wish could happen to all those managers who ran our offices into the ground, and then hop-skipped it to the next company. In Rumsfeld's case, there's no place to hide.
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SEpatriot Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:00 AM
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5. Powell's revisionist history
Secretary of State (and former army general) Colin Powell compared the possible impact on U.S. foreign policy of the abuse photographs to the 1969 disclosure of the infamous My Lai Massacre in Vietnam.

Does he mean this?:

"After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.

"There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs," Powell wrote in 1968. But "this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division." Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. "In direct refutation of this portrayal," Powell concluded, "is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

Sounds eerily familiar, eh?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:24 AM
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7. Heh. All the king's horses and all the king's men. . .
well, you know the rest.

Coup d'etat, anyone??

More likely, they'll vote for Kerry in droves. Get themselves a real former combat commander citizen soldier. No more "Top-Gun" wannabee, plastic turkey bullshit.


:kick:
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:57 PM
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9. old toons


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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:33 PM
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10. Too funny.lol
I hear tell Bush fell of the Merry Go Round when he was 15 and thats why he FEARs horses/ponies/shetlands.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:16 PM
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11. Someone call General Shelton
'Cause with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell all leaving, Condoleeza Rice is going to need some help.

(Actual question: isn't there a law that prohibits a retired general from serving as Secy State/Defense? Can someone show me that, please?)
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