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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:29 PM
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NY Daily News: Say goodnight, Dick (Dump Cheney for Rudy)
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/196240p-169313c.html

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Oops, poor taste, but it's time to face facts. Veeps have been dumped before - FDR did it, thank God - and the White House now must think the unthinkable. Here are three reasons the GOP should switch:

President Bush is in deep doo-doo. His popularity is taking a dive and even good news only briefly halts the decline. At a mere 42% approval rating, he's in a league with just three modern incumbents - Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Bush One - and all lost. If John Kerry gets his act together, Dems could take the Oval Office and Congress. Giuliani, on the other hand, remains a national hero and might give the ticket the push it needs.

Cheney and his crowd were the hard-liners on a war that now seems unnecessary at best. With the White House admitting the intelligence was wrong about the weapons of mass destruction, justifying the invasion increasingly requires a strong stomach. The public may well decide Bush should be fired. The President can demonstrate accountability by showing voters that Iraq is a fireable offense. Bye-bye, Dick.

Should a Bush-Cheney ticket be lucky enough to win, then what? Even party faithful gripe the administration is out of gas and ideas. That's where a good veep should come in. But Cheney emerges from his secure location only to speak to the most conservative groups. With such a tiny constituency and no job, now that Bush no longer needs adult supervision, Cheney would be an impediment
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:30 PM
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1. What's the big deal about Rudy. His cops kill minorities, he's....
an adulterer, and was not popular as mayor!!!

:wtf: is this crap???

:mad:
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:48 PM
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6. Not to mention he has prostate cancer
and slashed funding for prostate cancer screening:

"Giuliani would eliminate a $750,000 program to provide free testing to uninsured New Yorkers."

http://dir.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/05/10/trail_mix/index.html

The little weasel.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:32 PM
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2. let's hope Cheney stays
but if he gets dumped, Giuliani won't be such a hard adversary. He's another corrupt Repuke who should be warming a jail cell right now if justice could be served.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:34 PM
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3. veeps are sideshows in presidential elections.
aside from poosibly delivering their home state, veeps don't matter much at all in voting decisions. well, lieberman might have mattered a bit, not because he is so conservative, but because of his judaism. ferraro might have mattered as well due to gender. and certainly a black veep candidate would make a splash. but the effects are pretty much limited to straightforward bigotry.

if the republicans really want to win, at this point, they need to put rudy at the TOP of the ticket. now THAT would be an october (or september) surprise.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:37 PM
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4. VP could matter alot in this one
Alot of people don't like Bush, Kerry, or Chenny. If the democratic VP is someone that those people like, it might get them out to the polls voting dem. I really believe that a choice like Clark or Edwards would get people behind JK that otherwise wouldn't vote for either major candidate.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:49 PM
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5. Bush would lose even worse with Giuliani
Giuliani is pro-choice and pro gay rights. Putting him on the ticket would drive away fundies in droves. And think of all the Clinton lines that could be recycled against Giuliani. The guy had a mistress in the mayor's mansion for crying out loud.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:15 PM
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8. Yep-that 41% approval rating would turn into 35% overnight.
Cheney is the only thing holding the base right now. If he goes- the base goes, unless * chooses someone like Santorum - and then he might as well stick with Cheney as to do that.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:09 PM
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7. Giuliani myth
There is a myth, mostly from outside New York, that Giuliani is some sort of national hero with great electability, as a result of his behavior on 9/11.

Giuliani had worn out his welcome by Sept 2001, which is why he declined to run against Hillary for Senator from New York State (claiming, transparently falsely, that it was due to health reasons). The sorry news from polling at the time was that he would lose New York City, by a landslide, although New York upstaters, who were familiar with his myth and not his reality, might tepidly support him.

Then 9/11 occurred and he was briefly a symbol of unity for the City.

Then within weeks of 9/11 he was -- in the City -- one of the most hated and derided figures in politics because he tried to change the term limits law in NYC so that he could run again, claiming that only he could be mayor in this emergency.

This was considered 9/11 opportunism of the most vile and pathetic kind. Newsday columnist Jimmy Breslin memorably called Giuliani in a column, something like, "a little man in search of a balcony" in a digusted reference to his near namesake, but perfect match soul mate, Mousolini.

Giuliani would be a drag on the ticket, because not only would not rw republicans stomach him, but he would not even be able to deliver his home state -- one of the most important qualifications of any vice presidential candidate.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:54 PM
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9. Dump Bush AND Cheney
And while the GOP is cleaning house, they can clean the House and Senate, too: Frist,DeLay, Hyde, (your favorite idiot here)....
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 04:28 PM
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10. It's cute when right-wingers fantasize
It makes them seem more like us..
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 05:33 PM
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11. perhaps that'll be the big news when shrub
makes his acceptance speech at ground zero, the site of the worst intelligence failure we can think of.

bring him on. nominate rudy, the thrice-married, pro-choice, pro-gay rights thug. democrats will have fun carving him up into little pieces.
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