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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 03:33 PM
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The Houston Chronicle Lies About the Recall Referendum in Venezuela
The Houston Chronicle Lies About the Recall Referendum in Venezuela

Monday, May 24, 2004

By: Martin Sanchez - Venezuelanalysis.com

The Houston Chronicle's May 23 editorial "CHAVEZ'S RECALL: Outside observers must monitor petition recount" contains several inaccuracies and blatantly false statements which raise serious questions about the journalistic integrity of that newspaper.

The article mentions an alleged "censorship" by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez but provides no evidence for it. In fact, Chavez is the only President in Venezuela's recent history who has not shut down or censor a media outlet, except during the day of the coup d'etat in April 2002, when TV channels broadcasted military generals' messages urging people to rebel against the government. The TV channels were clearly part of the plot to overthrow him, and that is an internationally known fact. TV commentators confessed their role on the coup the day after the events took place, without knowing that Chavez would be returned to power by mass mobilizations and by the actions of military officers respectful of the Constitution.

The only media outlets closed during Chavez's presidency have been shut down by opposition city mayors. The government’s Telecommunications Commission’s (Conatel) headquarters were attacked with bombs last year. Both issues went largely ignored by the local and international media <1>.

Groups such as Human Rights Watch have said that Venezuela enjoys full freedom of expression <2>. No single journalist has been jailed for doing his or her job. The president that preceded Chavez even jailed an astrologer who "predicted" his death. During Chavez's term, for the first time in history it is possible to make fun of the current President or directly offend him using profanity through the mass media, without the government sending the police to censor them.
(snip/...)

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1181

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This article points out our lack of information about Venezuela's previous history, when the country was being managed by US-preferred politicians, with the last one, Carlos Andres Perez, who ordered a massacre, El Caracazo, being impeached for massive corruption. He continues to be a close friend of George H. W. Bush.

As long as the people in charge in Venezuela were compatible with American business interests, we never heard a word about that country, no matter what the hell was happening there.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 03:38 PM
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1. Nice website. Good job! I think our only way to save our country is to
find foreign news sources!
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 03:45 PM
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2. That's the biggest lie about Venezuala in the US.
Everyone calls him a 'dictator' and accusing him of stifling dissent, but for god's sake, EVERY MAJOR MEDIA OUTLET IS BROADCASTING 24 HOURS A DAY AGAINST HIM. The media companies are owned by the wealthy oligarchs.

The fact that he hasn't shut down any of them despite their unbelievable multi-year attacks against him and their support of the coup speaks volumes about his restraint and democratic values.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 03:54 PM
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3. This article lies about Venezuela and Human Rights Watch
Edited on Mon May-24-04 03:59 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
which is probably why you see no actual link to what HRW says about Venezuela:

http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=americas&c=venezu



"Groups such as Human Rights Watch have said that Venezuela enjoys full freedom of expression " -- that is an absolute lie. I challenge anyone to document Human Rights Watch making any such statement.

In fact, as recently as April 9, HRW wrote to President Chavez:

I am writing to express Human Rights Watch’s deep concern about credible reports we have received that National Guard and police officers beat and tortured people who were detained during the recent protests in Caracas and other Venezuelan cities. Such cases were not unusual or exceptional. The abuses allegedly committed were widespread and appeared to enjoy official approval at some level of command in the forces responsible for them.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/04/12/venezu8423_txt.htm


Does that sound like 'full freedom of expression' to you?







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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 04:07 PM
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4. Really? I Found This on the Official HRW Site:
Edited on Mon May-24-04 04:11 PM by ribofunk
"Human Rights Watch has repeatedly stated that Venezuelans enjoy ample margins of freedom of expression. It has pointed out that the country’s major newspapers and television channels are highly critical of or even opposed to the current government, and do not hesitate to express their views. Nevertheless, Human Rights Watch has also firmly opposed actions or legislation that might restrict this freedom. "

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/10/venezuela102803.htm

Apparently HRW has acknowledged the acknowledged Venezuela's freedom of expression but has criticized specific laws:

"In a ruling issued on July 15, the court held that although the Venezuelan Constitution prohibits censorship, it nonetheless had an implicit exception for prior censorship of war propaganda, and of material that was discriminatory or promoted religious intolerance. The court also declared that laws protecting public authorities and institutions from insulting criticism (so-called insult laws or leyes de desacato, in Spanish) were constitutional."

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/venez071803.htm

It seems that what the pro-Chavez article was doing was to emphasize HRW's historical attitude toward the free press in Venezuela rather than the specific law that was under dispute.

On Edit: The Houston Chronicle article links to MP3 comments by the HRW executive for the Americas here:

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/audio.php?ano=1002

and on the same page links back to the original HRW website containing the criticisms of Venezuela. I think the Chronicle is practicing responsible journalism.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 04:19 PM
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5. LOL your selective quoting can't change the meaning of what HRW said.
Edited on Mon May-24-04 04:19 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
"Groups such as Human Rights Watch have said that Venezuela enjoys full freedom of expression "

What part of full don't you understand?


Human Rights Watch has repeatedly stated that Venezuelans enjoy ample margins of freedom of expression. It has pointed out that the country’s major newspapers and television channels are highly critical of or even opposed to the current government, and do not hesitate to express their views. Nevertheless, Human Rights Watch has also firmly opposed actions or legislation that might restrict this freedom.

In a letter sent to President Hugo Chávez on July 1, for instance, Human Rights Watch criticized the investigations opened by the Ministry of Infrastructure against RCTV, Globovisión, Televen and Venevisión. Such investigations, Human Rights Watch stated, could encourage a climate of self-censorship. In the same letter, Human Rights Watch also expressed its concern about the proposed television and radio law.

Human Rights Watch believes that, with a recall referendum currently under discussion in Venezuela, the democratic benefits of an open public debate are more than ever crucial. It therefore urges the government to firmly avoid infringing on the freedom that Venezuelans currently have to express their views.
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/10/venezuela102803.htm



It is a lie to say that Human Rights Watch ever said: Venezuela enjoys full freedom of expression -- and showing other statements, where HRW said other things, won't turn it into the truth.




I am writing to express Human Rights Watch’s deep concern about credible reports we have received that National Guard and police officers beat and tortured people who were detained during the recent protests in Caracas and other Venezuelan cities. Such cases were not unusual or exceptional. The abuses allegedly committed were widespread and appeared to enjoy official approval at some level of command in the forces responsible for them.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/04/12/venezu8423_txt.htm



PLEASE ANSWER Is the apparently official policy of beating and torturing of protestors what you mean by 'full freedom of expression'?




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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 04:35 PM
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6. LOL -- You're Changing the Subject
You said that there no link to HRW in the Houston Chronicle. I pointed out that there was.

You said: "It is a lie to say that Human Rights Watch ever said: Venezuela enjoys full freedom of expression." I showed the HRW statement describing Venezuela as having "ample margins of freedom of expression." That is an acceptable paraphrase. It is accurate and fair to describe that the way that the Chronicle did. Sheesh!

Neither I or the Houston Chronicle article claimed that HRW had never criticized Venezuela.

I mean, I don't care so much about changing your mind, but other people do read these threads and don't always follow all the links through. They might think the supposed distortion was far more serious than changing "ample margins of" to "full."
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 04:48 PM
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7. The Subject: This article by Martin Sanchez lies about Human Rights Watch
Edited on Mon May-24-04 04:53 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
You have referenced the following press release (not subject to copyright):

Venezuela: Official Press Agency Distorts Human Rights Watch’s Position

(Washington, October 28, 2003) Venezuela’s official government press agency has published an article that distorts Human Rights Watch’s position on freedom of expression, Human Rights Watch said today.

The article, published on October 23 by Venpres on the website, quoted Americas Division Executive Director José Miguel Vivanco as saying that “Venezuela enjoys full democracy and freedom of expression.” Taken out of context and used as a headline for an article defending the government’s proposed Bill on the Social Responsibility of Radio and Television, the quotation misinterprets the opinion of Human Rights Watch.

At a recent breakfast in Washington with Venezuelan authorities, Vivanco offered strong criticisms of both the draft law and of the country’s other obstacles to freedom of expression. He noted that the proposed law contains repressive provisions that could stifle the public debate and foster self-censorship in the media. He also expressed concern about the recent confiscation of broadcasting equipment from Globovisión.

Vivanco specifically rebutted remarks made by Jesse Chacón, Minister of Communications and Information, who said that there is no norm in Venezuelan legislation at present that penalizes criticism of government authorities (desacato). As Vivanco pointed out, the Venezuelan Supreme Court has expressly declared the desacato norms in the country’s Criminal Code to be constitutional. In doing so, the Court ignored Venezuela’s international treaty obligations to protect free expression.

Human Rights Watch has repeatedly stated that Venezuelans enjoy ample margins of freedom of expression. It has pointed out that the country’s major newspapers and television channels are highly critical of or even opposed to the current government, and do not hesitate to express their views. Nevertheless, Human Rights Watch has also firmly opposed actions or legislation that might restrict this freedom.

In a letter sent to President Hugo Chávez on July 1, for instance, Human Rights Watch criticized the investigations opened by the Ministry of Infrastructure against RCTV, Globovisión, Televen and Venevisión. Such investigations, Human Rights Watch stated, could encourage a climate of self-censorship. In the same letter, Human Rights Watch also expressed its concern about the proposed television and radio law.

Human Rights Watch believes that, with a recall referendum currently under discussion in Venezuela, the democratic benefits of an open public debate are more than ever crucial. It therefore urges the government to firmly avoid infringing on the freedom that Venezuelans currently have to express their views.
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/10/venezuela102803.htm



You can call it an 'acceptable paraphrase' to give something the exact opposite of the intended meaning if you want. I call it deceptive and innaccurate.





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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:14 AM
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9. Excuse Me, You Said
(1) "This article lies about Venezuela and Human Rights Watch."

I saw no such lie. They accurately characterized Human Rights Watch's past statements. It's true that the statements were not in the immediate context of the recent laws, but they were very much in the larger context of press freedoms under the Chavez government.

(2) "...why you see no actual link to what HRW says about Venezuela."

I showed you a link.

You can criticize the Insult Laws. I'm witholding my personal opinion until I understand the situation better. Just don't say something is a lie that isn't.


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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:46 PM
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12. ...
Edited on Tue May-25-04 01:17 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
(1) "This article lies about Venezuela and Human Rights Watch."

I saw no such lie. They accurately characterized Human Rights Watch's past statements.


I just posted an entire press release where Human Rights Watch specifically denies that it is an accurate characterization.
If you want to ignore what Human Rights Watch says about their own position, it's your choice.

(2) "...why you see no actual link to what HRW says about Venezuela."

I showed you a link.


The article that I was commenting on, which is the subject of this thread (http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1181)
does not include a link to Human Rights Watch.



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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:46 AM
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10. Game, set, and match.
Bush is a liar and a thug. Chavez is a liar and a thug. Neither is a friend of democracy.

Snakes have been known to bite each other.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:16 PM
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8. My heart goes out to the Venezuelan people.
There are no good guys in the fight for power and direction of the nation. I wish it were different, but Bush's complicity in the goings on there do not wipe Chavez's plate clean.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:45 AM
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11. The article is right about the Houston Cron,
which is just repeating the usual unfactual blather about
Chavez, and wrong about HRW, although some hair-splitting is
required to get there. Calling Chavez a thug is not an
arguement, it is a lie.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:48 PM
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14. Bottom line: the OAS and the Carter Center should be allowed to monitor
the signature recount. That is the point of the Houston Chronicle editorial.


Personally, I'd be happier if they monitored the 2004 US Presidential election as well. More international monitoring and oversight of electoral processes is a good thing.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:02 PM
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15. Why then, they are pounding sand:
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:21 PM
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16. What does your post mean?

I don't have any idea what you mean by saying: "Why then, they are pounding sand:"


My point was that it is a good thing to have the process monitored by the OAS and the Carter Center -- the same point the Houston Chronicle was making. Are you agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or neither?


'pounding sand' - is that an idiomatic or colloquial expression that I'm not familiar with? What does it mean?

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 06:02 PM
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17. Do you understand "beating a dead horse"?
How about "belaboring a straw man"?

Nobody is trying to stop the OAS and/or the Carter Center
from monitoring any electoral processes in Venezuela.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 06:13 PM
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18. Are you making an effort to be vague and off-topic?


I really don't understand whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. Could you please tell me? I am politely asking you whether or not you agree or disagree with the proposition that it is a good thing for the OAS and the Carter Center to monitor the process. If you don't want to say, OK, although I don't understand why you would not want to say.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 06:22 PM
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19. No. Are you making an effort to be dense?
I think it's fine, they have in the past, why not now?
I don't understand why you think it's a big issue.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:23 PM
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20. No. I'm making an effort to be polite.

It has been an effort, but I think I've pulled it off.




http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=americas&c=venezu





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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:44 PM
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21. "vague and off-topic" is polite?
I wonder what aggressive and belligerent looks like.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:30 AM
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22. Speaking of on-topic
Reporters Without Borders - Venezuela - Annual Report 2004


The media are still sharply divided between supporting and opposing President Chávez. After many attacks on journalists at the beginning of 2003 and new threats by the government against the media, the press freedom situation gradually became less tense.

2003 began very badly for press freedom and most of the year's 75 physical attacks on journalists were during the general strike that began in December 2002 and lasted until February 2003 in a bid to force President Hugo Chávez to resign. The attacks, during anti-government demonstrations that accompanied the strike, especially targeted journalists from the privately-owned media and were mostly by Chávez supporters angry at the biggest media outlets, which actively backed the opposition movement, sometimes violating journalistic principles. In such a polarised atmosphere, some pro-government journalists took an equally partisan stance and were in turn attacked by opposition supporters.
After the strike ended, administrative and legislative measures replaced physical attacks. When it became clear the strike had failed, the government stepped up attacks and harassment of the media, launching proceedings against five TV stations for "inciting rebellion," threatening tax penalties and foreign exchange restrictions and passing a law about the "social responsibility" of the media. The new law would punish "excusing or advocating disrespect for lawful institutions and authorities" and penalties would be decided by a commission, eight of whose 11 members were named by the government.

MORE: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=10240&Valider=OK
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:13 AM
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23. Indeed, how about this one:
Venezuela seeks arms edge over Colombia

Venezuela has embarked on a weapons
procurement programme to gain the
advantage in its military balance with
neighbouring Colombia, edging the two
countries towards an arms race.

General Jorge Garca Carneiro, Venezuela's
defence minister, said on Monday he would unveil, in the
next few days, an "integral national defence plan", including
a strengthening of "operational capability".

But according to defence industry sources, President Hugo
Chávez has in recent weeks initiated closely guarded plans to
buy military equipment from suppliers in Europe and the
Middle East.

Four European companies - Austria, Belgium, Switzerland
and the UK - are competing in a tender for 200 armoured
and tactical vehicles, in a deal estimated to be worth about
$80m.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1084907825252
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:57 AM
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24. Bemildred, here's something I thought you might get a kick from!
I have also posted it to the long Chavez thread in LBN, as it simply cries out for readers!

This article is particularly worthwhile as it explains a bit of disinformation we've been fed, and I hope everyone who has been watching the pro-coup posters will see this for what it's really worth, and it's a HOT ONE!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


ZNet | Venezuela

Two Venezuelan Mayors
Press Freedom, Soft Drinks, and Democracy in the Andes

by Justin Podur; ZNet Venezuela Watch; August 03, 2003

A recent Human Rights Watch report, which was harshly criticized by supporters of Venezuela's 'Bolivarian Revolution', said that "there are few obvious limits on free expression in Venezuela. The country's print and audiovisual media operate without restrictions." Two months after the report was published, on July 14, one of the country's audiovisual media outlets came up against a rather serious restriction-it was shut down and its equipment confiscated. The outlet in question is called CatiaTV, but it was not shut down by the Chavez government but by the mayor of Caracas, Alfredo Pena, who is an opponent of Chavez.

CatiaTV was an experiment in genuine community television. It was started by a group of people in Catia, a vast and extremely poor borough of Caracas, who thought to film one of the community's events to show it to the community. It gave poor people the opportunity to make their own programs, about themselves, for themselves. In April 2002, when the coup against the Chavez government took place, workers in CatiaTV were instrumental in helping to get the state television channel, Channel 8, back online, breaking the monopoly of misinformation of the private television networks and facilitating the reversal of the coup.

Reporters Without Borders (which did protest against the closing of CatiaTV), demonstrating a disappointing lack of understanding of the Venezuelan media situation, said that reporters there were "caught between an authoritarian president and an intolerant media." The private networks are advocates of a coup, call supporters of Chavez 'monkeys', and distort information to a remarkable degree. But the people can't rely solely on the state media. This is exactly what makes community media like CatiaTV so important. It is also why Alfredo Pena shut it down.
(snip/...)
www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=3993 §ionID=45
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. I saw that in the other thread.
The charity whores, useful though they are, like to
keep it simple, it's better for business.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:51 PM
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13. Given that Venezuela Has Nothing Like Our PATRIOT ACT
Venezuela has human rights SUPERIOR TO OURS!
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