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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:51 PM
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The situation in Sudan is horrific. Can't we do something?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:52 PM
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1. We COULD bury some oil there....
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:54 PM
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2. Depends on who you mean by "we"
I can't support any unilateral action by the US under the present administration.
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:55 PM
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3. Why can't the UN
do anything there? What a perfect chance to show the world the good they are here for. (did that sentence make sense?)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 06:54 PM
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10. Everything is politics. Put pressure on DC to act in the UN.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:56 PM
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4. And to think a large number of people in this country think
Saddam Hussein is the only monster in this world.
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kat21 Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:58 PM
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5. It took this info too long to get out
I don't think the U.S. should ever do anything unilaterally but the U.N. needs to do something.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 02:58 PM
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6. Get vocal.
Write and call our legislators to push Congress to look at what they can do, especially with the U.N.

Link with Amnesty International.

Write letters to newspapers.

Don't let the topic be buried.

Pray.

Beyond that... I don't know.

:cry: :shrug:
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 03:07 PM
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7. Sudan has been a mess for years...
no one seems to care
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filterfish Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 04:49 PM
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8. Too Late to send aid...
http://www.exile.ru/191/war_nerd.html

So where does a bunch of mostly-black Northern Sudanese river-rats get off acting superior to the noble Dinka? I don't know, but they do. And with a lot of cash help from those Wahabbi morons in Saudi Arabia, who fund the whole miserable war, they're winning. The Northerners already starved and bombed the Dinka into surrender, and they're using the same tactics on the Fur right now.

It's an ugly way to make war. Basically it consists of putting a whole province under siege. Here it is in nice easy steps:

1. Arm the nomad militias so they outgun the farmers. The Sudan government sent 50,000 automatic rifles and machine guns to the Arab militias in Darfur. Also provide them with Army advisors and air support, and force them into effective cross-tribal alliances.

2. Block off entry for the foreign aid agencies, so nobody'll see what's about to happen. This is something the Sudan government has learned to do REAL well. They managed to almost wipe out the Dinka without a word from our democracy-loving government.It helps that southern and western Sudan are so hard to reach. Like I've said before, inland peoples are out of luck. Ask the Kurds.

3. Send the nomad militias in to burn the villages. Tell them they can have whatever they can grab, and rape anybody they happen to like the look of. Tell them to be sure to burn the village real thoroughly, so nobody can live there again. (Lots of Fur villages have been burned two, three, four times.)

4. Once the Fur are pushed off their land, squeeze them into concentration camps, with the militias coming in to rape and kill the inmates every few hours, just to keep them scared.

5. Keep all food away from them. This is the key technique. It's not an "atrocity" or an "excess," it's the whole point. Read up on ancient warfare if you need to see how sieges work. Even if you don't wipe out the whole tribe, you'll have killed or stunted the children, so you're changing the balance in your favor in the next round of fighting.

We're already well into stage 5 in Darfur now.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 05:35 PM
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9. We cannot even save our OWN Liberty
How can we save anyone else NOW? Vampires have fixed their fangs into our neck.

It is like asking someone with Vlad the Impaler conected neck-to-mouth and on Full Blood Drain, to help you change a tire.

Even if that person locked in a Life and Death struggle had the inclination, he would pass out before he got the first lug nut off.

Crude analogy, but there you have it.

We cannot help ANYONE unless we help ourselves first. I do not mean that as an axiom nor a rule, but unique to this very unique situation in American History.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-04 06:57 PM
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11. If we can spend $200 billion to trash Iraq, we can throw crumbs at Darfur
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 02:14 AM
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12. Sorry, If a country doesn't have significant oil reserves and is no
threat to Israel, it is against our "geo-political" interests to intervene.
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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 03:24 AM
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13. Refugees International
Edited on Fri Jun-25-04 03:26 AM by AmyDeLune
No donation is too small, and all of it is used to help the refugees.

http://www.refugeesinternational.org/
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-04 11:55 AM
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14. How about getting Kerry and Clinton to speak up about it?
They both are in a position to give this a lot of visibility. Clinton said in the interview to Salon that Rwanda was one of his biggest regrets. Now he has a chance to make good.

Let's contact them, and our representives, and get this the attention it deserves.
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