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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:32 PM
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Encoded in Geronimo's name: enemy
What the hell were they thinking?

Why would the first African American president of the United States, as US commander-in-chief, think nothing of US military forces applying the codename "Geronimo" to Osama bin Laden during the reported assault against that long-sought enemy of the United States? Apparently, having an African American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States.

Question: did President Barack Obama point out to his military brass that such a disrespectful use of Geronimo's name was inappropriate? Probably not.

In my book Pagans in the Promised Land, I use the theory of the human mind (cognitive theory) to explain the "cognitive unconscious" of the United States. Certain ingrained traditions of thought, both conscious and unconscious, have been used for generations by US government officials. Such thinking has resulted in the development of predominantly anti-Indian US federal Indian laws and policies. The result has been laws and policies that have proven detrimental to Indian nations and peoples.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/may/04/geronimo-osama-bin-laden
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:40 PM
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1. We used to shout "Geronimo" after jumping off a wall or other high object.
Nof sure how that fits into things.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:40 PM
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2. Bad choice.
Edited on Wed May-04-11 06:41 PM by RC
Using the name "Geronimo" continues the denigration of the Native American People. A more appropriate name should have been used.
Geronimo was a great leader, defending his nation against foreign invaders. bin Laden was seeking revenge for being brushed off, without so much as a thank you after he did the job we hired and trained him for.


Using the name Geronimo is as insensitive as would be giving the house they attacked the code name Uncle Tom's Cabin.
"If they has used the code names "Malcolm X", "M.L.King" or "Mandela" would that have been acceptable?"
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:42 PM
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3. There is something I learned listening to people around the pool table.
Edited on Wed May-04-11 07:29 PM by RandomThoughts
It is something like this. You get almost no information about how a person feels, or thinks from 99% of what they say.

If you were to just listen to what someone says, it would only tell you what some exterior layer of them wants you to think.

But in a conversation, every once in a while, there is a tell, a little something that can inspire thought on a topic. In that it is not what is said, but also how you think and feel on what is said.

From that anyone 'listening' to some guidance from such things, is probably in the trap of following orders, while it is possible to listen, and think and feel, and from that still make a decision.

Or you look at things from many perspectives, knowing that everyone does that anyways.


Much of the post I make, if I listened to them, could be saying something bad about me or someone else, I choose to find how they say something good, but I can find learning in thinking on what else it could mean, learning in anything.

As far as pagen, heh, don't know anything about that.


However, I also know nothing I have posts is listened to anyways by people.

Since the beer and travel money has not been sent, interestingly the situation that created the smear that started that due, was me buying a soft drink for a cripple in hardship, that some said I should be mean to.


But as I said before, I still think offering kindness to someone in hardship is the best thing to do.

70's "I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke" Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfU17niXOG8


Robert Eastwood, son of Al.

REal.

And to honor my father, Thank you Al.

Queen - 'We Are The Champions'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 07:55 PM
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7. For those that do not like some of the ways to see Al
Edited on Wed May-04-11 08:31 PM by RandomThoughts
Some might strictly think I am referring to the al that means The. My dads name really is Al.

You can also use the Hebrew use of the word ha.

As posted before as

RE
ha

or Rhea

Or since my dad's name really is Al, or more specifically Albert, Al be RT.

REal works fine for me.



Side note, I also use the handle Derek Halfhand sometimes, and like how it fits in as.

DR
HE


Or The Real Thing.

The RT.

If you can handle loops.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:45 PM
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4. Jesus. Is there nothing that won't be criticized? HE didn't choose
the code name. Shut the fuck up, people. Just stop nitpicking. :banghead:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:47 PM
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5. "Indian nations"?
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:37 PM
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13. Indian tribes have sovereignty and are considered nations.
The federal government refers to them as "domestic dependent nations".
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:56 PM
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17. And Indian Reservations at one time were referred to as....
Edited on Fri May-06-11 11:04 PM by AnneD
POW camps....Now what is more telling?

Yes, I heard about Ben Laden's code name. If it is true, I am not too happy about it. Words do have meaning.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:56 PM
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6. Great analysis, except the premise is false.
The codename for the mission was Geronimo. OBL was "Jackpot".:shrug:

The message was "Geronimo EKIA" with Geronimo signifying the sender, not the target. EKIA is "enemy killed in action", which would be OBL. The Seals take comsec, communications security, seriously, and keep transmissions to the bare minimum. The mission name was almost certainly chosen as a tribute, not a denigration.

None of which contradict's the author's greater point. It just isn't applicable in this case.
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zigzagzed Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:12 PM
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8. Use of "Geronimo" is meaningless
Codenames are designed to conceal the things to which they are referring. By definition, they have no connection to the object. It was probably randomly assigned from a list that was generated months, even years ago. Would people have complained as much if the random codename had been Broncos or some other sports team?

Some news sources are claiming that "Geronimo" was the mission and "jackpot" was the target, others that "jackpot" was the mission and "Geronimo" the target. An Iraq War vet told me they used to name the mission after the objective, and that "jackpot" meant they had achieved the objective (read: killed or captured the target).
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:47 PM
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9. I heard them say Geronimo was code for the success of the operation
Doesn't sound bad to me but then I am only part Cherokee.
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wysingm Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:17 PM
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10. Geronimooooo!!!
I'm part Cherokee and would like to say all this politically correct stuff is killing me. Geronimooooo!!!
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bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:25 PM
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11. You do realize that there are those who feel calling NA's "Indians" is offensive too?
Edited on Wed May-04-11 10:27 PM by bluesbassman
So there's that.

And just so no one else gets their knickers in a bunch, I used "NA" as a contraction for "Native Americans" to save space so it would all fit in the subject line, and meant no disrespect to the indigenous peoples of the North American continent.

spelling edit. bbm
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 11:10 AM
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12. If Indians feel it's offensive
then it is. They have a legitimate point.

Obama didn't choose the name so don't make it about defending Obama.

There will be an apology but they won't play it up.
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Thumper79 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:37 PM
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14. That's not what I thought when I first heard about "Geranimo"
Geronimo was a legend whether you like the fact that he fought against the rape and pillaging from Americans. We took their friggin' land and killed as many Apaches as they could. I think of this as honoring him.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:57 PM
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15. Supposedly the name Geronimo applied to the mission not the target. I
hope that that is true because I'd not want such an important and historical event to be tainted by a slur at our most mistreated populace, the American Indian.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:07 PM
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16. Over thinking it - it is a positive statement
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