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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:09 PM
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Joan Walsh: How the Iraq war saved bin Laden's life
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 18:11 ET
Joan Walsh
How the Iraq war saved bin Laden's life
Bush shifted resources from the Osama hunt into a needless war. It's time to wind down both wars now.
By Joan Walsh



http://www.salon.com/news/osama_bin_laden/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2011/05/10/iraq_war_saved_bin_laden

One particular statement by President Bush about Osama bin Laden has gotten a lot of play this week, because it encapsulates so much that was wrong with his presidency. You've really got to hear it, complete with frat-boy snorts and chuckles:

Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.


I was asked to react to the quote on MSNBC last week, and I focused on the rich-kid arrogance and denial you hear in Bush's claim. But in light of revelations about how the Bush administration essentially dropped its bin Laden hunt to plan and execute its war with Iraq, the quote, "I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you," has a chilling new meaning. It turned out to be true, and who knows how many thousands Americans, Iraqis and terror victims are dead because the former president changed course in 2002 and made "the scope of the mission" an unrelated and unnecessary war with Iraq.

On Monday the Washington Post reported about a number of times U.S. military officials were asked for troops or equipment to go after bin Laden, and didn't provide it, at least partly because they were distracted by Iraq. The best-known example is when bin Laden was located in a cave in Tora Bora in December, 2001. Special Forces requested more troops on the ground, and didn't get them. Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf was asked to move his troops in, and he asked for air cover, and didn't get it. Wendy Chamberlin, then U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan, told the Post she later realized Franks was already "planning for Iraq," she said. "Even if he could have helped out, he was already starting to have to reshuffle." Lt. Gen. John Vines told The Washington Post in 2006 that he had troops within close to catching up to bin Laden, and asked for drones to cover escape routes. "But only one drone was available - others had been moved to Iraq," the Post reported. Bin Laden got away.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:19 PM
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1. OBL had to be killed because of what he might have revealed. He did work 4 the CIA once.
Bush just used him to get the ball rolling for war with Iraq and whenever he needed to scare the American people. Bush and Cheney were 10Xs the monsters OBL ever was, killing more people and destroying more lives and making America Godless with the hand of torture. Time to face our own hypocrisy. Are our leaders and the wealthy above the law. Has America been terrorizing the ME in secrecy for years with a militarized CIA?...like what we now have with Petraeus as Director of the CIA.
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Blue Meany Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:36 PM
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3. I don't think bin Laden ever worked for the CIA, but he was allied
with them against the Soviets in Afghanistan. But being an American ally is a dangerous career move, especially when the Bushes are involved. Think, for example of Iraq and Panama.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:23 PM
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2. Joan Walsh is on Hardball & was talking about this along w/ Isikoff
Great stuff & Matthews is pissed & angry about those actions of Bush and as he just called them " the team that couldn't think".....
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:18 PM
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4. Too bad Matthews wasn't pissed and angry when it was going down.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 07:19 PM by Old and In the Way
He was certainly not going to get in front of the runaway train that took us to war in Iraq. And we will always remember his suckitude when "Mission Accomplished" PR campaign was foisted on the American people.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:39 PM
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5. I haven't forgotten his & others in the media who were essentially cheerleaders for the runup to the
Edited on Tue May-10-11 07:54 PM by Pachamama
....war & failed to tell the truth & ask tough questions. For many years, I felt Matthews should call his show "Softball". But in the last year & recent months in particular, I get the sense he is tired of the BS & plain lunacy & lies from the Tea party & the GOP. Better later than never I guess, but as I said in another thread, it's one thing when Lawrence O'Donnell, E d Schultz & Rachel Maddow say something about what is going on, it's expected from them as "Big Liberals". But I think Chris Matthews is seen as middle, independent. So for all those undecided independent voters or dissatisfied conservatives who like him & see this shift leading up to the next election, that has an effect. I'm just glad he's finally getting the clarity & speaking truth & shining light on the facts.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:47 PM
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6. I think Matthews has come around....working around Olbermann, Madow, Schultz
and others probably have influenced his thinking quite a bit over the past few years. I can imagine that Chris was getting a real education from these people on what was really going on....maybe his kids were cluing him in as well. Chris strikes me as someone who, for all his bluster, was a 'get along' kind of guy on the DC circuit. Relatively easy to sway when he gets access to power. Some of this new found anger should be directed at himself because he, along with many other so-called 'journalists' have made lucrative careers by not asking the right questions.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:59 PM
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7. Maybe at some point he will come forward & speak about & acknowledge his failures to be asking the
....tough questions & cheerleaders for the Bush Administration. But I'm very curious if his peers like you mentioned have had real conversations with him about these topics & have helped him find his way. But in an ironic twist, it was probably the actions in the last two years by the Tea Party & Birthers and Michelle Bachmann's & Donald Trump's who revealed their lack of historical facts, their racism & stupidity to wake him up and say "enough".
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:34 PM
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8. I'll give him credit on the birther/Tea Party issues....he's been on both since the beginning.
I have to think there's quite a bit of info sharing going on there. Each must have contacts that are utilized by all. They are all political junkies, so I'm sure they must talk shop all the time.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:48 PM
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9. She was good tonight on that disgusting Matthew's show. Agree with her!
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