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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 07:13 PM
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Deficit Public Opinion Goes Missing (CJR)
Deficit Public Opinion Goes Missing
By Erika Fry
July 13, 2011 03:52 PM


We’ve been reading that lots of people that matter are not happy with developments in those deficit reductions talks.

But what about the people that make them matter? Where’s public opinion on all of this?

Why, they’re unhappy too!—but not for the same reason that no-new-revenue Republican Eric Cantor is.

You wouldn’t know this from the media coverage—from which discussion of public opinion has been almost completely absent—but data suggests that deficit discussions on the Hill have unfolded in precisely the way a majority of American voters don’t want. (By the most recent New York Times/CBS News poll count, Republicans and Democrats are neck-and-neck in how badly they’re doing on reducing the debt.)

Robert Y. Shapiro, a political scientist at Columbia University who specializes in the role of public opinion in American politics, notes public opinion has not been part of the story.

(snip)

In a national survey by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, from late May 2011, a majority of those polled supported taxing the rich, eliminating corporate tax breaks, and cutting foreign and defense spending abroad. A majority disapproved of reducing Social Security benefits, raising the retirement age, and taxing health insurance. Also unpopular by were cuts to funding for state education and infrastructure budgets (73% disapproval) and cuts to programs for lower-income Americans (54%).




more:

http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/weve_been_reading_that_lots.php

(bold edits mine)
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:25 AM
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1. Obama's political suicide
I don't get why he is hell bent on doing something as unpopular as deficit reduction in the most politically and economically damaging way possible.

He seems to take an almost perverse delight in not being a populist and labeling it "adult" behavior. When is "adult" to ignore the wishes of those closest to you?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:22 AM
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2. Misplaced attention to "horse race".


In Coverage of Jobs Report, Misplaced Attention to Horse Race

By NATE SILVER

The jobs numbers are awful, but they’ve also provided fodder for some poor political punditry.

I won’t name names, since the people in question are normally thoughtful writers. But you can already find an article keyed off the news with the headline “How a one-term president is made.” And a political scientist in my Twitter feed wrote of how numbers like these will have Mitt Romney “measuring the drapes” in the White House.

I do not mean to suggest that the unemployment numbers are unimportant as a news story. To the contrary, recent polls find that four times as many people list jobs rather than the budget deficit as a top priority, even though the latter issue has gotten more press attention lately.



more: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/in-coverage-of-jobs-report-misplaced-attention-to-horse-race/



The Full Results From The New York Times and CBS News Poll (linked in the OP and again by Silver)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/06/30/business/20110630poll-full-results.html



Job Growth Falters Badly

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/09/business/economy/job-growth-falters-badly-clouding-hope-for-recovery.html?_r=1

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Four times as many people list jobs rather than the budget deficit as a top priority. Is anyone listening?
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JayhawkSD Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:46 AM
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4. This is a poll that should be listened to
Edited on Sun Jul-17-11 10:47 AM by JayhawkSD
You make a very good point here. While polls that tell representatives what policy to follow are destructive to the republican form of government, changing it to direct democracy as I discussed in another post in this thread, polls which advise the government of what is important are a different matter. This poll says not how to deal with an issue, but what issue should be being dealt with. This is something that Congress should be listening to.
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JayhawkSD Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:39 AM
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3. Public opinion boils down to "let someone else pay for it"
taxing the rich = let the rich pay for it
eliminating corporate tax breaks = let corporations pay for it
cutting foreign and defense spending abroad = let foreign countries pay for it
all of the above = don't make me pay for it

None of that translates to sound fiscal policy. The founding fathers created a republic rather than direct democracy for a very good reason. They did not trust that reasonable government would result from direct democracy because decisions would be based on emotion and the "base desires" of the public rather than reason. They were, of course, exactly correct.

Since we now have career politicians who are governing for reelection rather than for the well being of the nation, and every vote in Congress is based not on what is best for the nation but what best enhances reelection, we have effectively changed our government to direct democracy, because the representatives of the people no longer act based on their judgement but based on what appeals to the emotion and "base desires" of the public at large.

This is precisely why government is failing, because direct democracy does not work. Just as the founding fathers predicted.


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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:15 PM
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5. No public opinion boils down to let them sleep in the bed they made.
Those who caused the economic crisis NEED to face the consequences for doing so.
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