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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 05:08 PM
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Sharon is now a danger to US troops and hopes in Iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1027329,00.html

Lack of progress in the Holy Land will feed the growth of terrorism

Martin Woollacott
Friday August 22, 2003
The Guardian

The crisis of American power that has been building since the Twin Towers attacks is close to a point of no return. The bombs which brought havoc to Baghdad and Jerusalem this week and the likely collapse of the ceasefire in the Holy Land illustrate how unsteady is the American hand in the Middle East. Great enterprises demand great qualities. While the US has certainly not yet failed in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Holy Land, and has some achievements, ultimate success depends on it showing a new determination and clarity.


The Americans have been slow - slow to act and slow witted; slow to discard the assumption that Iraq and Afghanistan could easily be restored to normality after their regimes were destroyed; slow to set aside ideological preconceptions; and slow to grasp, if they have grasped at all, the deviousness of their Israeli ally.

That slowness has allowed Islamic extremists to move into Iraq, in what force it is not yet known, but it would be prudent to assume it is substantial. That slowness has allowed Afghanistan to slip into a political limbo, half a real state and half a collection of dubious chieftaincies, in which, again, extremists can not only survive but pose a real threat to the country's future. That slowness has given the Sharon government in Israel room to manipulate the "road map", a plan for peace which took an unconscionably long time to emerge. The fact that the bombs came on the same day, and shortly after serious Taliban attacks in Afghanistan, was fortuitous. But it is a reminder of how closely events in these three places are linked, much more closely than when the US used to make play with "arcs of crisis" running from the Horn of Africa to Pakistan.

This time the crisis is as American as it is regional. It would not have unfolded in this way had the US not intervened in Afghanistan and Iraq, and resumed its attempts to manage the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, and if its interventions had not then faltered.

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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 05:16 PM
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1. Sharon will never allow peace
He is a butcher at best
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 05:39 PM
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2. Good yet safe analysis
Edited on Fri Aug-22-03 06:07 PM by QuietStorm
These paragraphs IMHO raise the same questions that no one seems to want to tackle let alone answer realistically without tons of mud being slung regarding semitic leans one way or the other:

Snip one

Unless the US faces up to the fact that Ariel Sharon and his defence minister, Shaul Mofaz, have been working to undermine the remarkable accord between Palestinian factions which has recently brought a period of relative peace to the Holy Land, a complete breakdown is entirely possible.

Snip two

The Israeli government, on the other hand, was enraged that its plan to bring about the political and military demise of the radicals was being derailed.

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What plan? Without that piece of the puzzle one loses site of what is really going on here with the roadmap and would not see why the US has allowed it to falter rather than emerge. Mofaz' Plan. It has always seemed to me that no one wants to talk about the underlying alliances here between Israel and the current US administration and its policy makers.

Without knowledge of this very concise plan that the Guardian is talking about, all of the day to day news on the Isreali Palestinian conflict is not seen for what it is. Superficial outward rhetorical empty gesturing to appease the world into believing there has been movement toward peace when there has not and there never was. The day to day reporting on this conflict just leads us down the primrose path not to enlightment but to distraction.

If you remember at one point the state department was stormed in an effort to protect Mofaz' plan (as it seems now the Guardian points out exactly what they were protecting that day they stormed the State department). The neocons and the DoD hawks made it very clear the PA was not to be appeased. Sharon and Mofaz needed clearance to enact their plan kicked off by 9/11. Mofaz' plan actually is cousin to the PNAC. However the Guardian I believe is correct Mofaz's plan and any other Israeli strategy the US may be keeping the road clear for does work in conflict to a concise Iraqi reconstruction policy.

The Guardian seems to suggest that appeasing Sharon has been a part of the US strategic weakness, as the Mofaz plan does work in direct conflict to the roadmap. And wolfowitz is in fact appeasing Sharon in direct oppostion to a process of peace. IMHO and with full knowlege of Mofaz' Plan which in so many words does call for a number of preemptive strikes Syria being one.

On Edit: It will be interesting now to see if the 'Bush Camp" veers from this Sharon appeasement if they do not and do not reign him in and allow another Insurgence into the OT's we can kiss peace good bye with full knowledge that these guys on the US side are meglomaniac psychopaths with world dominance on their dance card.
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 06:00 PM
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3. And you know what Shame on the Guardian and the US press too.
Edited on Fri Aug-22-03 06:29 PM by QuietStorm

Because that Plan has been availble and accessible on the internet for two years now. I would think anyone who would have read this plan would have seen quite clearly what is up here. What the Guardian is doing us such a favor to have finally given us analysis which outwardly references Mofaz's plan as a culprit here.

The press makes me sick. This beautiful analysis of Mofaz' plan could have been done a year or more ago. It is almost completely after the fact. A fait accompli as outwardly stated in the plan itself. The Mofaz plan has been exacted. With the fall of the Hudna the rest of his plan just involves clearing the territory, it has been so bulldozed into the ground in the last two years while no one has been allowed to talk about it straight up. Backed up now by RW propaganda, which went it to high gear just after the bus bombing, all that is needed to finish up is the complete and utter vilification of Hamas as the cause of the failed Hudna because it was Arafat that prompted the bombing, because the PA has complied with contingencies on the roadmap.

Good job the Guardian for keeping under the hat only revealing it until it is pretty much too late. To stop Sharon and Mofaz now would be even more of a blood bath. What do you think the US will send peace keeping troops or anyone else for that matter. Next up Syria I believe it is folks. It is in the plan and Jordan will have to comply because the Palestinains have to be moved somewhere those who haven't run for there lives yet. Oh yes thank you very much The guardian and all the other useless correspondents for holding out this anlysis so long.
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