I don't mean this as an insult to Gephardt, but....

he's an ass kissing rethug lite, who has no eyebrows and is boring as hell.

What do you think?

Is he tall enough to actually get the nomination?

Wouldn't he be better suited as a VP for the chimp?

I really hope I'm not insulting any Gep fans here, I really just want to know what everyone thinks...

between Gephardt, Edwards, Liberman, Kerry and Dean, I could see voting for Gephardt.

They're in unions. Care to mess with the Teamsters?

is accomplished by posting flame bait?

poorly camoflouged by the "I really just want to know what everyone thinks" ploy

I thought that's all we did now at DU...

I think he's probably fine as a Congressman but I don't want him for President. However I have a friend who is very liberal who really likes Gephardt and is turned off by Dean.

So who knows?

It's probably just a matter of style anyway. I'd support Gephardt if he's the one.

I would not count him out.

We have great folks running - and while I remain for Kerry, the others all are fine folk that I'd have no problem voting for (except fot Joe - who I would vote for over Bush - but his piss on the UN and endorsement of pre-emptive war is a turn-off despite his liberal domestic past).

then why was he not present on July 10 to vote AGAINST Shrub's overtime rules changes. Please don't tell me he stayed away on that day because Nancy P said his vote was not needed. That kind of logic is the type that keeps people home on election day.

ALL votes are needed if only to let us, their employers really, know where they REALLY stand on an issue.

By what yardstick can we measure a candidate if there are no votes, especially on important issues? It is by one's ACTIONS that I measure a person. Words are cheap and easily written (as should be obvious with chimpy in the white house) by good speech writers.

The way I see it is like this: Tricky Dicky Gephardt did not vote on the issue of overtime rules changes. By not voting he is saying that the changes are not all that important and it does not matter.

Well, Dicky boy IT DOES MATTER to ME, a WORKING person. I WORK for my CHECK. I DEPEND upon my check. If I work overtime that should come at a premium to the employer.

Yeah Gephardt may understand the backroom, backslapping, you scratch mine I'll scratch yours world of the unions but there are more NON UNION workers than those in a union and it's time he listen to us!

and, he wears very nice ties to photo-ops handing simians the power to invade defenseless dictatorships. :)

this type of post is VILE. leave that kind of shit at home. Do us all a favor and take your agressions out on some puke. He has a right to run , he has a right to be rejected. I would never listen to your advocacy for another, after this disgusting display.

We need lot's more candidate bashing here, don't we?

I mean there isn't enough is there?

C'mon...let's get going!

Of course it's VILE, and it's getting old.

Can we get this shit stopped somehow?

All of a sudden, sfecap doesn't like bashing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=101029&mesg_id=101029

I didn't have to search too far back in the past to find this, and there's more

Kerry voted for the JRH 14, is now bashing?

You know, maybe you're right.

The level of anger and meanness here is just getting too much. The threads were meant to illustrate how low things have gotten here...Dean is a Nazi, yadda, yadda, yadda....there isn't a candidate thread that doesn't degenerate into nastiness. over the course of a few posts...

Thanks for convincing me it's time to leave DU.

What sfecap claims to have said: "Kerry voted for the JRH 14"

What sfecap actually said: "he didn't have the guts"

we promote the guys/gal we like and ignore those we don't. you win more flys with honey than vinegar. I don't trash anyones' candidates. The worst you will here from me is" I don't like", or" I don't trust" someone.Since i haven't made up my mind, i listen to the rants.I have it down to a few i like and a couple i won't be considering. that being said, I will vote for anyone of them before the chimp. So, lets keep ur eyes on the prize.

Dean, at least he isn't a phony opportunist.

n/t

that is all they are...as if we would be more receptive too their captain.

You post a low, slimy hit piece on Gephardt, and don't expect someone to flame your candidate back? That isn't the way it works.

And I like how you say it was a joke or an example now, but then if it was, why didn't you say so in your initial post?

What's your beef?

Any excuse will do?

this isn't freerepublic...

I assume that the participants here can figure it out, as most seem to have above average IQs...

Jesus...lighten the fuck up!

I can see this is getting ugly, so this is my last post in this awful thread. Check back and read the replies, and you'll note I am not the only one who found it disgusting.

I see posts here every day from those who profess to be mind readers!

Buh bye!

Watch the The Simpsons sometime. Notice how they don't run a crawl at the bottom that says "THIS IS COMEDY.....THIS IS IRONY....SLAPSTICK ALERT....THIS IS SATIRE..."

but if Dean wins the primary, look forward to a landslide for Bush, in at least 40 states. Dean is unelectable. Besides, why would we want him? His policies are NO DIFFERENT than the DLC he pretends to hate so much.

Another dollar for Dean!

Thank you! :-)

Who bashes more?

n/t

in your <sarcasm> sign.
No one seemed to see it.
;-)

But you did, obviously.

I think it's a matter of wanting to see it....:-)

obvious or not, it's still flame-bait

Congrats.

that it scares me sometimes.
Cute too.
;-)

But I've never thought about them as running mates.

Interesting.

Dean has the desire to take the fight to the Republicans and he can get people fired up about it. Gephardt has a lot of experience in government and good connections with labor. Gephardt also must be a pretty good campaigner because 24 years in the house means 12 elections won. Of course Gephardt did support the war, but as many Kerry supporters have pointed out, supporters of the war were lied to and there was concern about angering their constituents. It's a lot easier for me to understand Gephardt having this concern with his Missouri constituency than Kerry with his Mass. constituency.

Both have strong health care plans.

Hmmmm... Dean/Gep. I'm not sure yet. :shrug:

nt

He worked on Gep's last Presidential Campaign.

You may not mean it as an isult, but I take it that way. I'm sorry, and respect your opinion, but the manner in which you communicate is really! A swipe at his eyebrows. Come on. I'm UAW here and Dick has and is one of our true friends time and time again. I don't care if his eyebrows were shaved, dyed green, or one big unibrow. Please realize that Dick's Gephardt's record, especially in the last 15 years on issues important to me has been amazing. I mean the guy has led the fight against horrible trade agreements like NAFTA, China PNTR, GW Bush's FastTrack grab, Foreign Steel Imports, CBBI and most recently the Chile and Singapore agreements.

Moreover, I remember reading a story back during the NAFTA debate how Dick Gephardt stayed up for hours on ends dredging his ass through DC trying to kill NAFTA. I think the guy even contracted a viral infection because of the sleep gaps? He did that even though most thought it was a lost cause. The guy went down fighting and didn't back down from the President! We are grateful for that!

Union people have not forgot that. Trust me. These unions that are endorsing him realize his committment and record. I imagine several more will be coming on board.

Now let me focus in on why we need a change. Elaine Chao. This lady is the "Greatest Secretary of Labor in the History of the Soviet Union." She has no regard for unions and goes to bed everynight with the dreams "union busting" filling her head.

Let's not lose sight of the big picture. 3.5 million jobs lost on Bush/Chao watch. With the manufacturing unit one of the hardest hit. The saddest thing is that they don't seem to even care! It's bleak out here and showing no signs of improvement. I know so many folks who have lost jobs because their company has packed up to take advantage of cheap labor somewhere that it makes my actually start crying sometimes.

Plus, I've heard the guy speak several times. he gets really fired up when talking about the decline of union jobs and shows a lot of passion when discussing his family. The guy comes from working class roots and people identify with that. I read an article today that said the Teamster polled their rank-and-file mebers and that 90% supported Gephardt. That is astonishingly high! He's one of the good guys. Trust me.

I know we all have our issues! And I know several here have crucified Dick for his war vote, but based on his record Dick Gephardt will be a champion for people like me in the White House. I'm sticking with him. This is the DU, and I'll be supporting whoever we nominate. Go ahead and wish ill will on me because of it, but I just can't ignore his past. Thanks for listening!

Unless I think Kucinich can win the primary, it's Gephardt for me, for exactly the reasons you stated.

Gephardt didn't swipe from the sidelines, he was in there putting his job on the line to save ours.

yeah. the guy has basically laid down on the tracks for people like me and others in the UAW. Our membership has dropped from nearly a million to just over 500,000 since the late 80's. I personally feel this might be the last election where we still have a shot to save our union. Seriously. We read about plant closings daily. Thats why I'm so strongly behind Gephardt. He's laid on the tracks for us, now its our time to lay on them for him. A Gephardt presidency would be great for people like me, because he makes my issues his issues.

I don't think he has a chance, though. I think you need more than union support to win an election. I'm very politically active and know lots of state officials. I haven't heard anyone say anything really positive about him let alone come out in support of him.
BTW: I live in Missouri.

thanks for chiming in though, because you are right. a candidate needs more than just 1 constieuency. unions serves as Gephardt's base. the keys to winning an election are expanding outside that base and getting other groups in, but first and foremost you've got to have a base that is firmly in your corner and all the top-tier guys do. now let's see who expands on that.

not sure who you are talking to, but his Missouri support looks pretty strong to me.

Gov. Bob Holden
Lt. Gov. Joe Maxwell
Attorney General Jay Nixon
Treasurer Nancy Farmer
Auditor Claire McCaskill
U.S. Rep. William (Lacy) Clay, Jr.
U.S. Rep. Karen McCarthy
U.S. Rep. Ike Skelton
Former U.S. Sen. Jean Carnahan
Former U.S. Sen. Thomas F. Eagleton
Former U.S. Rep. Alan Wheat
Former Secretary of State Bekki Cook
State Building Trades
Mark McGwire and Ozzie Smith

when he calls and asks for support. Our county officials (Boone) don't seem to be supporting him either.

Tricky Dicky Gephardt has had a rougher and rougher time in his last few campaigns. Due to redistricting his district now includes a very Republican area of University City, MO. It is surrounded by Washington University on one side and wealthy Clayton, Missouri on the other. During the 2002 election there were far more Talent(less) signs in this part of U City than those for Carnahan.

His district is not nearly as working-class as it once was. Previously his district included South St Louis and parts of Jefferson County. Both of those areas are very working-class with more and more minorities moving into South St Louis (much to the chagrine of many St Louis Board of Aldermen--St Louis racial politics are TERRIBLE). South St Louis and South St Louis County are also populated by a large community of Bosnian immigrants. I really do not have a feel for the political leanings of this community but have a feeling, based upon press reports, they have assimilated rather rapidly into St Louis culture and may be leaning Republican like much of St Louis County.

There are a lot of people who just don't trust Gephardt. Like Kucinich, he started as an anti choice Democrat. While, for some reason I can believe that Kucinich did some soul searching and had a change of heart regarding that issue, I get the feeling that Gephardt's political opinion changed only because he saw that it may cost him campaign donations.

Other than his no show on July 10, my primary problem with Gephardt is he gives the appearance of being more of an opportunist than even Bill Clinton minus the TREMENDOUS charisma. He just seems SO slippery.

MO is a pretty anti-choice state, so his stance on abortion at any given time was probably opportunistic. My friend was telling me that his sister was passing through his district and wanted to go into his office and talk to him. So, she stopped. They asked her what district she was in, and after she told them, they turned her away. I understand the need to give priority to constituents, but he was majority leader at the time, and she had donated to his campaign. Man of the people?

and to be completely honest, i trust Gephardt less than Lieberman.

than the other candidates. He is close to Lieberman (who is in first) in South Carolina and leading Iowa. Gephardt is a stronger candidate than he looks.

Gephardt is very liberal on economic issues (robust health care, $$$ for education, no WTO or NAFTA), moderate on social issues (pro-life in the past), and conservative (random invasions of sovereign countries are cool) on defense issues.

On balance, he's off my list.

given up on Gephardt.

He supported the Iraq war.

http://congress.org/congressorg/bio/keyvotes/?id=353&lvl=C

Name of Legislation voted
Passed H.R. 2427 - Pharmaceutical Market Access Act 07/25/2003 NV
Passed H.R. 1 - Medicare Prescription Drug and Modernization Act of 2003 06/26/2003 N
Passed H.R. 2596 - Health Savings and Affordability Act 06/26/2003 NV
Passed H.R. 2555 - Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2004 06/24/2003 NV
Passed H.R. 660 - Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2003 06/19/2003 NV
Passed H.R. 1528 - Taxpayer Protection and IRS Accountability Act 06/19/2003 NV


Out of six opportunities to vote, Mr Gephardt could be bothered doing his job only one time...hmmm that works out to a pretty poor percentage in my book.