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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 06:50 PM
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Wow!! Didn't Realize the "History" of Rove---and a few other slime......
Had a bit of an enlightening shock today regarding the roots of this filthy administration. Watched a few moments of C-Span Washington Journal. The guest is (or was) the Washington Bureau Chief of the LA Times who was one of the chief reporters of Watergate. A caller identified himself as the person in charge of the ‘72 Democratic convention and the two knew and recognized each other.

He pointed out that one part of this assault on the American people was the “dirty tricks” group headed by Sengetti (I fail to remember the name but it was something like this). However, I do remember the crap surrounding these slime at the time. He pointed out the horrors they did in places like Wisconsin and said this was the filthy group that ended Musgee’s run and who was also after Humphry, etc. He directed the newspaperman to a book which the newsman recognized and told him to read a memo that was in the appendix in which Rove was named as one of the operatives. He also pointed out that four years before Bush was elected Rove admitted in an interview that he was a part of that group-------nice, huh?? But then came other calls.

Callers pointed out (and pointed out also their fear) that numerous dudes in this administration were first in Nixon’s band of criminals, then showed up in the Regan administration and now are part of Bush II administration (Cheney, Rummy, etc.). Folks, we aren’t dealing with just any ordinary criminals and slime---these bastards have been at it for decades. These bastards have been out for decades to beat the American people into the dust, take over world oil and suck down the wealth for themselves and their families. That’s when something else hit me.

I’ve given only lip service to any “tinfoil” hat theories of 9/11---but about an hour after this program it seemed as though another whole dimension had taken shape in my mind. These bastards got only so far with two administrations before things blew up in their faces or a Dem was elected. But their mission has soared since 9/11 which gave them the opportunity to invade nations and to impose laws which shred the US Constitution. As the reporter pointed out: Nixon was up to his eyeballs in fraud involving the CIA, FBI and IRS. Sound familiar??? All of a sudden I am wondering if 30 years of these very same slime working in top positions in various administrations was the evil mix from which came the “9/11 project”?????? But, it couldn’t happen here, right?? Maybe not on a small-bananna basis; but 30 years of the same slime, using the most secretive of our resources and the contacts of one Bush I and his Saudi royal family ties???????????????
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 06:58 PM
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1. The name of the book is The President's Private Eye
by Tony something?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:00 PM
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2. Donald Segretti
is the dirty trickster.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:04 PM
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3. Charlie--yep, that's the guy and Rove was one of his henchmen
No wonder everything surrounding Papa Bush and Junior has been total filth attacks on any opposition.......even their own McCain. I hope the DNC is prepared this time...prepared with "Bush" shit from his past. They are going to need it. It's astounding how these various filth-bastards have hung around the DC establishment for decades. They are getting old and, thus, getting desperate to impose their new world order.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:13 PM
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7. Yeah
This admin is rife with the most wretched holdovers from earlier ones -- Eliot Abrams, John Poindexter, Orlando Bosch, Dick Cheney, they even tried to bring Kissinger back, for chrissake.

You may not be in the mood for it right now, but if you have a moment when you need a laugh, read about Nixon's bete noire, Dick Tuck:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/tuck.html

Some speculate that Tricky Dick's frustration with this (non-dirty) Democratic prankster compelled him to assemble his own team of tricksters, which of course got out of hand and lead to Watergate...
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:10 PM
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4. Rove was in on that Nixon Dirty Tricks crowd?
That man was breast fed on evil! As I recall, they were charged with stupid juvenile tricks such as calling voters and impersonating McGovern volunteers.

Probably dressed like hippies and spit on soldiers too. I wouldn't put it past that crowd.

And wasn't Watergate one of the more extreme plans that group hatched?

Makes me wonder what new evil little vipers are being reared in this tradition today?
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:49 AM
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22. Lil evil vipers
well lets start with Powells son or should that be son of ab----?the dirty trio over at the not so supreme court,Scalia,Rehnquist and Uncle Clarence.(two boy and one gal),the late not so great senator Thurmond,and there are many more lil bastards in waiting.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:11 PM
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5. Hi Starpass good thoughts. In my life time I have never seen
such a Ruthless administration in the White House.

This is from BUSHFLASH & truer words have never been spoken IMO

There is literally no end to the nepotism, greed, selfishness, and downright EVIL that is at the heart of the cartel that runs the United States of America today.

http://www.bushflash.com/

There are only Dark days ahead with these people in power....
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:12 PM
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6. I'm following you on this idea, and I have to wonder if it was just...
...this elite little group's good fortune that the two "grass roots movements" which give them the most popular support--the vicious neoconservatives and the right wing religious fundies--have evolved over roughly the same period of time.

Or was the fomenting of such groups a part of a bigger plan, as envisioned by a few right wing think tanks?

Because, without significant (or at least, high profile and very vocal) support, the handful of men who are running this show behind the scenes could not have accomplished anything.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:25 PM
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8. Mary Pat==taking up your thought
I do know that the first time I saw "religious tv" (didn't know it existed) and the swarmy Pat Robertson was at my super religious (ex) mother-in-laws house in 1967. I was agast at this so-called religion which was political mind manipulation at it's finest. Pat-boys agenda was NOT J.Christ and the boys; it was government control. Then think about the fact that we have come to a point where these boys are lined up for faith-based handouts. Then consider that there were attempts under Dems to dismantle and expose these slime but they were a force that couldn't be stopped by then. (and I keep remembering the latest troubles for Pat a few months ago when his faithful found out Pat had million dollar race horses and bets his ass off----how typical of the breed!). Yep, we are talking an American made Taliban hooked up with modern day Hitlers. AND as far as the swing to 'conservatism".........the interesting thing was that everything going on in America several years ago did not exactly give the image of a "conservative" nation BUT our media kept pushing the idea 24/7. It's called propaganda and, of course, it came at the hands of the wealthy's ownership of the media. Bottom line: this country has snoozed through a total takeover and are ignorant of the whole fucking thing.....and they wonder where their jobs, paychecks, benefits, etc. have gone. A little bit of "paying attention" would have gone a long way.
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Clyde39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:37 PM
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9. Don't forget Ralph Reed's HUGE involvement
He has been behind the scenes but he's a master manipulator who has worked very closely with various Bushes.....and of course, the ever-popular Christian Coalition. Many say he is the reason that Max Cleland was defeated so nastily!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:47 PM
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14. I guess the fundies and the neocons really fit like a hand in a glove.
They're both driven by unmitigated greed. And, if you need a guide to the byzantine connections and multi-layered relationships that have culminated in our current state of affairs, just follow the money, as Deep Throat advised, so many years ago.

As for the propaganda, I know more than a few otherwise fairly bright liberals who support the military actions of the bushistas because they watch Fox News and believe it to be a reliable source of information. Rupert Murdoch (among many others) is seriously dangerous.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:40 PM
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10.  counterattack: calling all people with a mean streak
These people need to be "outted." They need to be identified and publicized. They should be picketed at their homes. Wanted posters featuring their faces and their crimes should appear on telephone poles in their neighborhoods. Mailing lists of their neighbors should be compiled and lists of their convictions should be sent to everyone within a 2-mile radius.

We should put together a band of nasty tricksters ourselves and humiliate these criminals everywhere they go.

Look at the aggressive tactics of ActUp and how effective they were.


Cher
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:46 PM
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12. NJ Cher---a comment from another caller........
..the guy said that Rove is like always a step ahead of the "authorities" in state after state and that he is now in Texas all involved in the redistricting shit that has the Dems on the lam. I now remember that there was a lot of crap going on in and around '02 election where govenors were furious at him coming in to their states and literally trying to create problems, stir up trouble, initiate attacks and trying to use their state constitutional loopholes to overthrow elections or recall people, etc. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...do I smell Gray Davis on his breath?????? We have a sick Nazi puppy who runs the sock puppet in the Oval Office and the people are oblivious.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:43 PM
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11. BTW
If you didn't know, Lucianne Goldberg was also a Nixon dirty trickster. She was paid by CREEP to pose as a reporter, and travelled with the McGovern campaign looking for dirt.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:49 PM
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15. Wow, Charlie, the people don't have a clue (and neither do our
ace reporters) that a very small band of organized criminals are shredding the US Constitution and causing such hell in our land. All the barstool patriots have no idea that a handful of our lowest filth have actually come as far as taking us to war and beyond. There are more than a 'few' dots that need to be connected in this nation.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:51 PM
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16. Now why doesn't that surprise me?
:eyes:
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:47 PM
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13. Definitely need to preempt his plans
Was talking with a Sears salesman (he liked my Dean shirt), and he said he thought they (the admin) were sitting on a bunch of info from Iraq, and they'd pull it out during the campaign.

Knowing these guys I wouldn't put it past them. We need to steal their thunder now, so that if an "October suprise" DOES happen, it won't be worth the paper it's printed on.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:56 PM
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17. T Roosevelt---I think I know what he is talking about
This Kaye (sp??) administration slime who is over there now as our investigator. Saw a C-Span press conference with him, Rockefeller and a general. Then the cameras kept rolling afterward as the press asked Rockefeller questions off over in a corner. It seems this bastard (who is home huddling with Oval Office criminal) is putting together "so called" proof of the WMD's etc. But as I overheard Rockefeller who thought he was off camera, he kept emphasizing that the guy keeps emphasizing proof of "weapons programs" and that he as a member of Congress needs answers and is not impressed with this shit. He re-emphasized how we went to war because of supposed "actual" weapons and weapons ready to launch and nukes. So, what I think they are up to (and Limbaugh keeps telling his sheep that the great report is coming) is that they will present a bunch of papers that like Rockefeller says are "meaningless shit" to the bottom line and hope they can b.s. a bunch of rednecks into believing that they just saw justifiable proof. It's admamant that the Dems need to keep saying "so where's the fucking weapons that were going to blow us all away in 45 minutes"--in other words, they cannot let them bullshit their way through this.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:05 PM
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18. They're calling their plan "Big Impact"
Meaning they're going to keep Kay's work under wraps for at least half a year, then inundate us with an avalanche of bullshit all at once.

David Kay is the idiot that ginned up the discredited evidence of Iraq's WMD the last time around, when Bush the elder wanted to blow up Saddam's cred as a bogeyman during the runup to the 92 election. He got bounced from UNSCOM for his antics.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:57 PM
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19. Charlie--Kay is also the asshole who was one of those "experts" that
CNN or MSNBC, et al kept dragging in during lead up to Iraq war. He always got bent out of shape when people called the whole thing lying shit, etc. He wants sooooo bad to make himself look good that he smells of the desperation. I felt (in the remarks I made above regarding the off camera remarks of Rockefeller) that the Dems are ready to pounce on it all. I believe they are going to make a stink that finding papers on "programs" is not revealing anything new but the total lack of nukes, WMDs in general ready to strike, is still the bottom line that indicates the BUSH LIED!!!!!!!!!!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 09:03 PM
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20. I hope to hell they're prepared to pounce on it
Frankly, there aren't too many chances left. If Democrats continue with their tepid ways and keep whiffing opportunities, the party, the country will irreparable for at least a decade.

"Big Impact" Plan
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 09:10 PM
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21. November 22, 1963
That's the day the Bush Organized Crime Family went public.
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