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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:27 PM
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Bush Has Spent 50M of his 150M on.........(I don't get this)
Just caught a few minutes of Hardball where they were discussing "Florida". Kelly O'Donnell (former WH reporter) said that Dems are in the majority in Florida BUT that Bush has already spent 50 million of his 150 million warchest in Florida to put in place a "get out the vote" in key areas that will make all the difference on election day when it swings into gear. Wait a minute here....something just doesn't add up in my mind.

First, what could one possibly spend 50 million in a 'get out the vote' drive in several areas of just one state??----you can do just so much phone calling and driving people to the polls, etc. before they try to kill you for bothering them (basically those who intend to vote will; and those who don't want to be bothered will kill you for driving them nuts!) The money amount just makes no sense---unless it's more like 50 million to buy off officials, cops, goons and the general operation of Bush's crime syndicate down there to make sure the vote turns out in Bush's favor. If this is already spent, then it isn't in tv ads that would be played in the last days. Maybe this is why Kerry is talking about a legal brigade watching this slime like a hawk????

Second, it makes my blood run cold that this mammoth amount of money that represents a large part of his warchest is spent in Florida. Florida isn't the only beauty queen on the block this election. This battle is in the midwest where, for example, Ohio and Missouri were only won by him with less than 5% of the vote...and they are suffering from job loss and lousy economic times (not to mention that mid-America rates 'fear of terror' as dead last). All we need is to keep what we had in 2000 and take just one of these and were in. The same applies to TN and Kentucky. Does this mean that they know through general corruption or rigged voting machines they have these in the bag but need to be terribly cleaver and careful in Florida so they don't get caught?? If he can't carry Ohio or Missouri, etc., Florida makes no damn difference. What's this bastard up to???? There has to be something more behind spending 50million already on some lousy volunteer phone banks and mailings, etc.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:29 PM
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1. I'm not positive but, I believe that some
of that money also went to pay for the 9/11 ads that are going over like a lead balloon. ;)
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:31 PM
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2. Those ads were costly to make and air in prime time.
But isn't this how Repubs deal with money, they piss it away.
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:32 PM
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9. No, guys, they specifically said it was on "get out the vote"
They said it was on putting in place the 'get out the vote' apparatus in key areas..not ads...not the stuff he's running now but stuff to be swung into action on election day. That's what is baffeling to me. He still is going to spend ad money on top of this.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:35 PM
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11. Get out the vote could mean
buying votes. That still goes on, sad to say.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:39 PM
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13. 1 million for the voter drive, 49 million to ChoicePoint?
wouldn't be the first time...
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:39 PM
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14. Yes, repugs do piss money...
...but it isn't actually away. It gets pissed right into the pockets of their rich buddies and the politicians own pockets. $50 million, not too shabby, but there is plenty more where that came from.
:toast:
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:31 PM
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3. I'm with you...
Dont' trust the bastard and his slimey family.
One crazy thought: Could a member of the media POSSIBLY pose these insightful questions?
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:31 PM
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4. Or they are just stupid
The strategy here is probably to get an overwhelming majority in Florida this Fall to legitimize his 2000 election.

Latest polls show * trailing Kerry by a significant amount in Florida at the moment. Too many retired north-eastern liberals down there I guess.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:31 PM
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5. Is the 50 million what Neil stole to get his teenage oriental hookers?
If so, Justice in America is still alive and well!
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:31 PM
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6. I thought I heard $27 Million
one for each electoral vote.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:32 PM
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7. I was watching too, but
I don't think she said (or at least meant) that the GOTV was just in Florida. It should be nationwide, concentrated in swing states.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:32 PM
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8. I heard that he had spent $40 million
and much of it was for voter registration. Remember the posts last week about the large semi-truck heading to college campuses to register voters. :eyes:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:35 PM
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10. Laundry?
I wonder how easy it would be to spend campaign money in a way that launders a lot of it back into the pockets of those who contributed it? Seems to me that in one's haste to spend $50 Million one might not keep all of the receipts...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:09 PM
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34. You aren't suggesting the Republicans are a bunch of back scratchers
are you? Can't possibly figure out where you could have come up with an idea like that. :crazy:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:38 PM
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37. This Factor, Mr. Bandit, Cannot Be Over-Rated
A very large proportion of this vaunted "war-chest" will disappear into luxury appoinmtments and furnishings and foods, as well as into kick-back contractors and agent's fees....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:36 PM
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12. That $50 million was spent nationally
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 08:37 PM by mot78
But if he spent all of that on FLorida alone, I'd be laughing my ass off. Maybe he'll spend $50 million each on swing states like Pennsylvania or Missouri.
...Like I've said before, if he can't improve his poll numbers despite using his war chest, he's DOA for Election Day unless we get the October Suprise.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:14 PM
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26. $50million in one state, he's fucked so somebody misspoke
but this October surprise shit is starting to grate on me, we already know Laden would be one. So if that happens let's figure out how to neutralize it. Cause if 7 months go by and Bush is all together fucked then they pull Laden out of their ass and suddenly the whole country flip-flops, fuck that!!!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:30 PM
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35. The "They already have Bin Longgone" meme is alive & well
in Middle America. I've heard all sorts of ordinary people talking about an October Surprise announcement of his capture, so I think that any such act on their part will meet with an unexpected amount of cynicism and skepticism on the part of the masses.

Does't hurt to keep spreading the meme, BTW.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:39 PM
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15. Payoffs to Florida election commisioners
Look for a bunch of beach front condo purchases by people that make $50 grand a year.
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DemMother Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:40 PM
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16. Is some of it for this lovely...
Reggie the registration rig? The site looks like a parody. I guess they don't know the difference between plurals and possessives (hobbie's and rodeo's)--or maybe they figure it makes them look more authentically rural or western or whatever the phony image is that they're trying to convey.

<http://www.gopteamleader.com/reggie/about.asp>
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thexanman Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:46 PM
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17. Sick of FL too
I'm in Florida and I'm sick of it getting all the attention. All Kerry has to do to win is take all the states Gore did in 2000 and pick up ONE damn state. ONE. Florida, Ohio, West Virginia, New Hampshire, even ALASKA would be enough!! And I think it'll be much easier to sneak a victory in New Hampshire than have a huge battle in Florida.

Granted, I'm ready to fight an all out battle for Florida in November, but it's NOT the only state that matters. The media is making Florida out to be this mythological state that determines elections all by itself. It's like when a basketball team loses and the media only focuses on the last missed shot by the losing team. They forget all about the missed shots throughout the rest of the game.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:52 PM
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20. No, there's an 18 electoral vote deficit with the 2004 demographics
if the same states were won. So one state would do it if it were FLA, OH, AZ, VA, or TN which are at least 10 votes. Otherwise it would require at least 2 "smaller" states.
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thexanman Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:58 PM
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21. Oops
Interesting. I haven't studied that new demographics yet. Got a link showing the changes?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 09:32 PM
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22. Useful Electoral College site to play around with.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:39 PM
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33. Hi thexanman!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:47 PM
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18. 1 mil on get out the vote and 49 mil on new and creative ways to steal
cadaver votes, butterflies, felon lists, boxes of ballots in closets are out...they need the money to come up with new fool-proof and creative ways to thieve.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 08:48 PM
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19. I read that they have passenger vans rented in EVERY district in the US.
They plan to physically get every GOP voter to the polls. They already have them identified through records.

I posted about this in January when I read it in my local SC paper.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:03 PM
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23. this is where they got us last time -- Florida
In Florida they had millions set aside for their get out the vote drive. They should not have won, could not have won, based upon the demographics of this country, but they won. (Or rather, got close enough to muscle and steal their way into the White House). They have the same thing planned. What happened to our get out the vote plans? I thought the dems had something similar planned?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:30 PM
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30. someone here said Dems had a similar GOTV effort
prepared. I sure hope so.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:11 PM
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LOL...I know a bunch of GOPer's here in NE, that are NOT...
going to vote for bush. Christ himself could drive them to the polls, but they vote what they want, and people don't want bush.

O8)
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kera Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:11 PM
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24. would anyone explain to me?
I know how a fundamentalist can stick to the party line my experience in this a tragic one by the way, but this is a valid proposition only the situation where the party is perceived as the only hopeful alternative. Now what I don't understand is the blind loyalty the republican to their party . Are all those folks not affected by the disastrous economic situation? may be I am rationalizing to much or there is something else to it ?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:29 PM
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29. it is a great mystery and a great tragedy
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 10:30 PM by librechik
closest I can come to is fear. They have been terrorized over the years to fear Bill Clinton and Hillary, and that fear will now be psychologically transferred over to Kerry, no doubt. You have to be brave to think for yourself, and that branch of the Republicans are all libertarians, so they are not part of the base and the Pukkkes don't really count on their loyalty. They count on the mass of poorly educated or racist or greedy or religiously deranged who can be fooled or scared into voting the GOP way out of self interest. Many of these people claim to vote for Bush because "Bush gave them money." What, $300? And that goes back to the IRS this year.

It is very sad. America used to be a great nation full of people who defended free thinking and celebrated dissent because they knew America was started by dissenters. Our kids aren't taught much about that anymore.

Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:12 PM
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25. They spend similar amounts in the '00 primaries...
Never was clear where it went.

There's likely to be a lot of waste and inefficiencies in such an operation. Especially if the ship looks like it's sinking.

Never been involved in a campaign, but you'd have to hire a whole lot of people as temps. There wouldn't be time to monitor them much. There wouldn't be much to do if they did nothing--they're fired after the election anyway.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:18 PM
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27. Chimpy said it wrong
uh oh, he's been eavesdropping on strategy meetings again. Last time he did that he said "crusade."

Seriously, who can ever know what the Big Giant Head is really thinking? I'm with you on the bribes corruption and rigged voting. That stuff costs some real dough.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 10:29 PM
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28. I thought she said FIFTEEN million
I am pretty sure that's what she said. (Of course, I have been wrong before. Long time ago, though.)
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 09:21 AM
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31. ANSWER: BBV, new voters means fewer ?'s after Selection.
The more new voters there are, the less reliable the information on who polls ahead of whom in the race.

If Kerry polls ahead as people go to vote. When Bush wins, the pundits blather, "There were many new voters, and, ah-ha, ha ha, they fooled us."

We'll be fuming of course, they'll be laughing.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 09:54 AM
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32. bush has a GOTV operation organized
covering every precinct in the major states. They have trained volunteers and are working to register 3 million voters. They have "Reggie the Rig" -- a big semi trailer crammed with computers for online vote registration.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:32 PM
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36. GOTGV:
Get Out the Graveyard Vote.
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