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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:06 PM
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how come the bush admin didn't REACT on 911?!


:shrug:

and i mean the whole LOT of'em not JUST *

EVEN NORAD :argh:

i don't expect much from the CIA as a whole, being educated, but i do apreciate what some have done since and continue to do to this very day :toast:

the first responders where heroic as always and some in the FBI even spelled out the danger by predicting they might fly a jet into the WTC etc...

and they have the arrogance to run on this :puke:

this should be the 'SOUNDBYTE' shouted from the roof tops EVERY time THEY bring up 911!

any reasonable explainations out there yet for this?

thanks :hi:

peace
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:22 PM
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1. Bush Missed Lots of Signs
for 9-11.
In December 2000, the outgoing Clinton administration had come up with a plan to fight terrorism, that involved cutting off their funding and military action against terrorist cells. He held off from implementing it because he didn't want to hand the new administration a war. Instead, they shared these plans with the new administration.

In January 2001, the bi-partisan Hart-Truman commission released its report on terrorism. Suggesting that the country was woefully unprepared to deal with terrorism threats, one of their proposals was an agency to coordinate various U.S. agencies involved in protecting our country.

In July, an FBI agent in Phoenix sent a memo to headquarters about some suspicious flight school students.

Picking up increased chatter, in August, CIA Director George Tenet sent President Bush a memo that Bin Laden was determined to strike in U.S. and that al Qaeda might even be planning to hijack airplanes/

August 16 - the INS arrested Zacharias Moussaoui. The flight school student wasn't very interested in learning to take off or land a plane.

Bush, was vacationing in Texas in August. But Attorney General John Ashcroft was in town, turning down a $58 million request from the FBI director to hire translators and foreign intelligence analysts.

Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Bush weren't interested in fighting terrorism, they were consumed by the idea of a missile defense shield and other defense expenditures.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:27 PM
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3. yet, they still didn't REACT
hmmmm... the plot thickens.

i'm sure it must be all in my head but i'm hopin maybe 1 of the think-tank might have heard of a rational explaination :shrug:

:hi:

peace
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:23 PM
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10. Dontcha mean the Hart-RUDMAN report on terrorism?
:shrug:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:37 PM
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15. Typo - My Bad - of course it's Rudman
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:30 PM
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12. Sounds like you read...
Eric Alterman's new book....
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:37 PM
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16. And Al Franken's book
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:26 PM
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2. WHY hasn't the MEDIA reacted to this inaction ?????
For so long after 9/11 it just wasn't considered "good form" to ask questions about that day. BUT IT HAS BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW. Isn't it time a few QUESTIONS were asked about the appalling inaction of our so-called LEADERSHIP on that horrific day ?????
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:29 PM
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4. good question...
great opprotunity since the 'DREAM-TEAM' is gonna be SPENDING ALL THAT COLD-HARD CASH $$$ BRINGING IT UP :evilgrin:

:hi:

peace
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:48 AM
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38. What;s this Dream Team reference?
Do you know something we don't know?


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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:31 PM
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5. Hey, give them some time
You can't expect them to ask legitimate questions while they are on their knees.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:29 PM
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6. how much time?
kick ;->

peace
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:27 PM
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11. Probably until 11/2/04
:(
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:46 PM
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13. everyone hates admiting their wrong
especially the media... i hope they wake up much sooner than that.

there are definately signs, stern being the most obvious but even in the lame stream media folks are less likely to automatically give bush the benefit of the doubt on EVERYTHING anymore.

remember the first year, those were real dark days indeed.

:hi:

peace
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:53 PM
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17. And their mouths are full!
Rather difficult to enunciate in that position.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:32 PM
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7. How come, indeed.
Things that make ya go: Hmmmm.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:43 PM
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8. What I find incomprehensible is that Smirk
holds up his actions/inactions on 9/11 as the highest point of his maladministration.....the biggest security screw up in American history (ignoring lihop and mihop for the moment).

He mistakes the rallying around the president that occurred after the attack as "support" for his policies. I believe that he is deluding himself on that and I hope he continues to do so.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:20 PM
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9. they have 0 shame
that will come in handy ;->

peace
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jansu Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:38 PM
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14. At every public gathering, signs which state 911 ON BUSH WATCH!
We must make them run away from this being a good thing. He was the Commander-in-Chief and it was his responsibility to keep America safe! He failed at doing that. 911 HAPPENED ON BUSH'S WATCH!

Nero fiddled why Rome burned/Bush listened to children read while America was attacked!

The "Do Nothing President"!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:45 PM
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18. BUSH IGNORES 911
911 NOBODY HOME

peace
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:47 AM
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37. And Nero fiddled
because it gave him the excuse he was looking for to try to kill off all the Christians. Bu$h wasn't the first one to set a fire and then blame it on a whole religion.




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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:02 AM
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19. It is my opinion that Shrubby did not miss any signs.
Edited on Thu Mar-11-04 12:06 AM by myopic4141
Shrubby and company had decided to go to war against Iraq from day 2 of the Administration taking office and needed an event to bring the American people on board. It is my understanding that Saudi Arabia warned the Administration of a terrorist attack, possibly a skyjacking. This presented the opportunity they needed because they felt that a simple skyjacking is something easily handled. Due to tunnel vision thinking, no one imagined that the skyjackers would use the aircraft to ram buildings as stated by Rice and Shrubby in their denials of foreknowledge. The first thing I noticed in the denials was that they were denying knowing what the skyjackers were going to use the aircraft for and not denying knowledge of the skyjacking itself. An odd set of denials since denying knowledge of skyjackings would include denying of usage whereas, the converse is not true. This is from people who pride themselves on their use of words and seemed strange at the time. The more and more information I hear about the pre 11Sep events, the more and more everything fits into this theory. One other item hardly mentioned is that Shrubby ordered stoppage of FBI investigations of various Bin Laudin family members prior to 11Sep. Like I said, it is a theory, so take for what it is worth.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:06 AM
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20. Welcome to DU, myopic4141!
Are you LIHOP or MIHOP?
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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:08 AM
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21. Do not know LIHOP or MIHOP.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 02:28 AM
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28. LIHOP and MIHOP theories
LIHOP-Let It Happen On Purpose

MIHOP-Made It Happen On Purpose
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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 02:50 AM
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30. Let It Happen On Purpose.
Everything points towards LIHOP. Not as many would need to be involved in doing so.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:43 AM
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23. well informed opinion
:toast:

they said all the things that their psyops study told them the AVERAGE JOE would think - with a little programming help - after witnessing 911

Bush replied, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower--the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot.

ironic how LOUD their non reaction is in light of all we now know of what they knew prior to 911

:hi:

peace
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:40 AM
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35. Very important piece of picture=PNAC
They wrote that it would take an event "like Pearl Harbor" to get the American people to support their plans for the Pan-American Empire!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:30 AM
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22. Bring It Up!

Where is Michael Moore now that we need him?

He discussed 9 11 so beautifully. Where is he now on this?

I want those 9 11 pictures side by side along with the time line.

Left side : Bush And Goat Book
Right Side : Plane going into the World Trade Center

I find it a shame that when Kennedy died, they showed all the horrible pictures over and over again. They showed where the bullets entered and all the blood. It was awful!

Now we can't even see a frame by frame of Bush reading a book and sitting looking stupid in a classroom.

This lack of media is done intentionally! If they can show the blood of my hero JFK, I want to see Bush sitting in that tiny chair looking like a plucked bird while all of our valiant heroes were in New York.

What TV company will have the guts to Bring It On and show this nation what our leaderless pony Bush was doing on that day.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:59 AM
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24. SPLIT SCREEN quicktime here --------------------------> LINK
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:42 PM
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42. anyone know how to contact Randi Rhodes?
I heard she has been looking for this (splitscreen) please pass it on to her, thanks :toast:

http://news.globalfreepress.com/images/shadowgovernment/movies/WTR2_small.mov

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com

peace
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 06:14 AM
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33. Here
Have a look at my flash below.. let it load and pass it around..

Beat Michael Moore by at least a year :)

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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:07 AM
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25. Really now, what would you have done?
much safer hiding in a classroom when others are dying.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:10 AM
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26. REACTED
can't be sure exactly how, but i would have at least reacted.

:hi:

peace
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:56 AM
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27. Taken Charge

In Leadership 101, he should have done the following...

Aide comes in to tell him the seriousness of the attack.
He should have quietly called the teacher over and mentioned that there was a minor emergency that he needed to take care of.. said his quick bye byes to the children and acted like a Real Leader.

As I see it, he didn't have to exit the classroom because everybody else was doing the work. It is a perfect example of how worthless his opinion or his input is to this nation.

The World needs to see this footage over and over again!
How do we make that happen?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:47 PM
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43. good point
his opinion APPARENTLY was not required :crazy:

peace
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 02:32 AM
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29. Grain alcohol and rainwater, Mandrake...
Simple: it was LIHOP; they knew something was going to happen and it would "scare the pants off" of the country (Max Cleland's phrase) so they could force through their greedy plans.

When the "event" was MUCH BIGGER than they thought, they panicked for a day, thinking that the jig was up. Finally it dawned on them that it was better than they ever could have hoped for, and they puffed up and started strutting.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 05:45 AM
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31. If four planes have been hijacked within an hour,
and if nobody really knew who, or what, or why, wouldn't the Secret
Service insist that the President go to a safe place, a basement
or a cellar, immediately? Because if you were really in the dark,
you would be thinking that America was under attack, maybe from
East to West and you wouldn't know where the next attack might come
from. And the most urgent thing to do is to protect the leader,
because he's the one who gives the orders to attack, or defend,
whatever. And when planes started crashing into buildings, surely
some panic buttons should have been pressed, but they weren't.

I think that the very fact that everything went on as normal is a
strong indication that there were people in the Administration who
knew who, and what, if not why, and were prepared to LIHOP. It was
Rummy's Pearl Harbor.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:15 AM
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34. SOP
Standard Operating Procedures were totally ignored that day... why?

peace
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:53 AM
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39. Cheney said the SS literally lifted him off his feet
and carried him down to the secure bunker in the WH but they let the chimp just sit there?

Plus the chimp was on the phone at least a couple of times with Condi. He would have known that they had immediately gone to a secure location, yet he thought it best to continue to sit with a room full of children?


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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:44 AM
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41. Hummm


Good thinking. I guess I was lost in a fog. Are you telling me that they took this all in their own stupid hands with no regard for the FBI or CIA?

Come to think of it, I don't remember reading that the FBI was advising the President. I recall hearing that Bushie was flying all over the USA and making sure that the OBL family members were safe. Right?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 05:50 AM
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32. All I can say is- put them all under oath and ask. n/t
n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:40 AM
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36.  W wanted to attack Afghistan that day but the Pentagon said they couldn't
At least this is what was reported at the time.

It was reported, notice the supposedly manly swagger, that W wanted to attack that day but the brass informed him that they couldn't just do things that fast. They could run some sorties but a land invasion takes time and planning. Luckily a "boots on the ground" plan was already in the works which is why they were able to initiate the attack a month later. I forget the man's name but the plan was finished off by a hold over from the Clinton administration, see they had started the planning well before leaving office. Forward thinking Non-reactionary adults do that sort of thing.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 09:05 AM
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40. my paranoid crackpot theory
yes, b.p., you know, i'm fully immersed in the MIHOP theory, and i don't care who knows it, or what they think of me because of it.

it's glaringly obvious that 'no one reacted' because that's exactly how it was planned. it didn't go off precisely as planned, but well enough. it was a deliberate, violent, murderous coup de tat, by the true believer zealots surrounding daddybush and his demonic family.

9-11 was a home made horror. our own people, the ones we elected to protect us from such things, orchestrated it from the ground up.

in my delusional paranoia, i suspect the planes were flown by remote control, after all the persons on board were gassed into unconsciousness, or death. there were no crazy arabs with boxcutters.
there was no atta, or magic wallet. there was no attack ordered by osama from a cave on the other side of the world.

the murders of a few thousand people mean nothing when your goal is global domination. because millions will die in the long run to american imperialism, millions already have, so 3000 dead people in n.y.c. is really insignifigant. that's also why no effort is being made to investigate it, and the inquiry is even being fought against, tooth and nail.

they didn't react on 9-11 because things had to play out as planned that day. and overall, the operation has been a HUGE success. bushco has gotten everything it ever wanted, and they are totally out of control and not backing down or giving up.

the kind of men who are currently running the show, are not moved by images of people leaping to their deaths, or families ripped apart, or widows and orphans demanding answers. they have no human emotions, other than greed and deceipt and powermania.

someday soon, bits of the truth will come out, and the story will unravel, and the perps will be exposed. it has been over 40 years since some of the same people murdered kennedy in a coup. and that case has never been effectively put to rest. there is an 'official story', the warren report, and there is an official story about 9-11.
and we all know that a president who has been caught in a single lie, is totally unbelievable.

they didn't react like normal men would've on 9-11. if you, or i had been president on that day, i'm sure that we would have at least lept to our feet and stopped reading to children for 30 more minutes.

they should have thought that part out a little better i think. they didn't realize that bush would just sit there and look like a deer in the headlights and wait for orders from dick and daddy, instead of acting 'presidential'.

i will always believe what i believe, despite how anyone perceives me.
bushco did 9-11, and i won't stop saying it. i'll repeat it till i'm blue in the face. i am more in shock and awe of our non-reaction, than i am at the actual attack. we are letting them get away with mass murder and a violent overthrow of our union. we are doped up on reality shows and fast food and prozac and booze and distractions and luxury, and we have short attention spans. but some of us are wide awake, and we are the frightened ones.

like the last scene in 'the invasion of the body snatchers', some of us are running down the street screaming, 'they're here, they're here!' and being ignored by the passing parade.
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mithnanthy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:03 PM
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44. mopaul...I agree with you..
I'm awake and waiting for the truth to be exposed. You're absolutely right on this one!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:20 PM
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45. you and a good deal of the world feel that way
there non reaction is the giveaway and if we can't use it to prove LIHOP/MIHOP at the very least we - dem party - should be able to use it to show how incompetent his leadership was that horrible day everytime they bring it up.

thanks for sharing your thoughts mopaul, good to see you around again.
(i will pm you tonight to talk about your gallery again)

:toast:

peace
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 06:14 PM
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46. It is very hard for most people to accept the truth about 9-11
That our own government would do this to us? This is America! This sort of thing was never supposed to happen here. Right? Not! Not since the coup on 11/07/00. But for the average American to accept that their country has been taken over by a rogue gang of criminals, who at the very least allowed 9-11 to happen, this is more than most people can wrap their brains around. It totally threatens their idea of reality and it is a very scary thing to have your illusions shattered.



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