Fat bigots

Ok obesity is catching up with smoking as a dangerous thing a killer.

What in the hell about this statistic gives some bully hearted people the idea that a statistic is permission to scapegoat fat people?

When will people STOP belittling bullying and basically scapegoating each other?
Shall we scapegoat those hairless radioactive,barfing cancer patients?

Are they a good target for hate? Cancer kills ALOT of people...


I think as a society it would be refreshing to scapegoat the one "class" of people who have been excluded from accountability.Bullies and authoritarians. I say why not scapegoat the deserving destroyersof persons, the arrogant,the exploiting,the abusive,the belitttlers,the scapegoaters,the insulting,backbiting,domineeering,cruel,the narcissistic,self aggrandizing, bullies and skinny type A personalities.Thelittle angry white men,the skinny snobs,and all abusers and exploiters of human vulnerabilities and differences, the assholes who can't live and let live.
Why not scapegoat the bullies in our culture,for being the fucked up,deluded,pseudo elitist,overly violent,greedy,stupidly cruel,bitter,pathetic,insecure,haughty,petty,mouthy,control freak losers they are?
All it takes is one stupid bully to make an entire group of people who were previously getting along well ,feel miserable,puff themselves up, and fight with each other.

Bullies ruin peaceful society because they can't get along,respect others,stand differences,accept or tolerate human vunerabilities or shortcomings or share. Bullies are losers who thrive on creating or exploiting others suffering. They destroy hope happiness and undermine self esteem with the verbal abuse they spew.

Shall society get a little bit of self esteem and belittle these power seeking bullies who can't seem to contain their own ignorance,bigotries,hostilities and self serving hypocrite opinions for a day of their pitiful empty life without harming another human being with it,just to prop up their fragile self esteem or just to prove they are somebody to anybody who will believe their bullshit or giggle at thier "clever" use of verbal sadism??


Will humanity EVER get beyond the assholetroll mentality and be adult enough NOT to scapegoat obese people,gay people,black people people with red hair buck teetyh in wheelchairs or whatever?. Can we as a species get beyond these stupid toxic ass backward,useless chicken yard domination/humiliation,troll ,styled social attacks on each other when we try to talk with each other ?
If we don't figure out how get beyond the asssholes in our species I hope that humanity dies off, every last one of us.
People are so disgusting. I am ashamed humans exist if scapegoating others is what they use their mouths for.

And the fat people are not the disgusting humans I am referring to here.Bullies are drags on humanities emotional evolution and destroyers of happiness. Bullies can't let anyone be different,vunerable,weak or human.Our culture glorifies the bully heart.

I say fuck all the bullies who think it's OK to scapegoat people.I shame all the coward bystanders who let bullies tear down a human being for being fat or female or black or gay or for whatever the bully thinks is "abnormal" and makes bullies tweak.

However, I think it'll be a long fight. Contrary to the widely held belief I think bullies are bullies because that is what they are good at. They are not cowards and they'll fight hard to remain at the top of the tree as they see it.

that is what is behind all bullying. Look up bullying on google - most bullying is the result of fear of being found out and insecurity. There is actually a website called www.bullyonline.org that explains the phenomenon in great detail.

Usually, bullies are paper tigers. Stand up to them and they back down like the cowards that they are.

other people. A cover for his own insecurity.

Things are getting really ugly in America's heart.

The only possible futures I see are ones that I don't want to be here for. "Interesting" times ahead.

Tucker

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=868178

--bkl

UGP, and make each one of them count.

Great post. Keep up the fight.

Remember, nobody was born a bully. Nobody was born with any of the mindsets you so eloquently cite, they are learned behaviors.

Such personalities do not emerge from healthy environments.

Julie

i have empathy and knowledge of exactly what they are now sitting up the heavy person.

let there be only one person cloned after whom, who is that perfect person out there we are all to be. let me see i want to know.

i had to tell a couple little 8 year olds at sons school the other day i was not dying and to quit telling my son i am. i am just fine. dont need their prayers. it is like i have a society rooting on my death cause i smoke. it is sick. all of who i am is .....the smoker.

i can see being hit by a bus and in laws stand at my grave shaking head saying i told her to quit smoking

I salute you for one of the finest rants I have seen on DU in some time. Well said!

but what you suggest would make "us" scapegoating bullies, too. :-) I'm usually nicer than that. I try to not tear down anyone, even obnoxious bullies, with GW and his administration as a notable exception. Lots of folks, though, get off on coming down on others, no matter what. Some even bully cancer victims because a lot of cancer is caused by lifestyle. These are the kids you used to know on the playground that made fun of kids who wore glasses or limped or were fat or anything else that made them stand out. They never grew up. I never had much desire to be like that - so I wouldn't even bully a bully.

As one shit said in his lounge rant yesterday, even though I think his beef was with Americans in general, since he was adamant that Europeans would never have the audacity to merely ride a People Mover.

So what happens when it comes out that GM Frankenfood is why we're fat, and not our eating/exercise habits?
My girlfriend eats very "sensibly", does 2 intense work-outs a week, has the metabolism of a hummingbird, and is concerned that she put on 5 pounds last year. It ain't just the lifestyle.

Figures, now that I'm no longer a smoker, they had to come up with something else to brand me a pariah...What will it be when I'm no longer fat?

...there will always be something that these bigots need to pick on people about, be it who they sleep with, how much they weigh, the colour of ones hair, eyes, or skins, the shape of ones eyes, etc, because to them, they are perfect and can do no wrong.

It is a sad world we live in.

But you skip some others. Americans are overweight. Much of that is by choice. It causes all sorts of related health problems and is a lifestyle that should be avoided if possible.

Of course, many can't avoid it because of other ailments -- thyroid disease for example. So yes, we should all try to understand many will never be the perfect body types. But we, as a society, should also work on losing weight and eating healthier.

I don't really think (unless you're making a movie about fast-food) that anyone looks at themselves in the mirror and says "oh, yeah, baby, the Maori got it goin' on, I wanna be a LARD-BUTT!"...Perhaps it's a "I don't care, I'll deal with it when I become Diabetic" mindset?

I think it's bad choices, perhaps not made consciously. F'instance, what's that we see occassionally about Mikey-Dee's "Healthy" salads having more fat that a double 1/4 pounder with cheez? "Hidden" fat? Out-and-out LIES from the food industry? Who here hasn't heard Tofu and healthy food in general derided as "tasteless"?

We need better food education. Unfortunately, as I recall, from my high-school days, what we called "Home Economics Class" and "Health" (I don't know what they call it now, if indeed they even teach nutrition) had a lot of material supplied by big food companies. Kraft recipe booklets, posters and teaching materials supplied by Kraft and Hershey, etc.

And the "Food Pyramid"...They blew their cred with that when they had to re-re-organize it because the Dairy Industry thought they were getting screwed and called in a Congressional "Favour"...

And "Frankenfood". There's a reason that the EU (except for Britain, which finally bowed down to the Great Monsanto) rejects that crap...

And who knew that a small bag (1 OZ of chips) is really TWO servings? or a bag of Ramen noodle soup is THREE servings?

Not me, at least not until I got sick and HAD to become an informed consumer.

Didja know that there are now "Asian" noodle soup mixes that are portioned so that the whole bag is only ONE serving? Guess who's soup I buy now.

I was just telling a buddy today that damn little red meat, saturated fat and dairy go down my gullet. Now to work on the physical exertion part.

the Palm Beach Post, devoted an entire page yesterday to the tastelessness of low carbohydrate foods. The food industry does its best to brainwash us that what's good for us doesn't taste good.

It is rare that diet or low-carb food tastes anything close to conventional food.

That's what makes the "taste". Grill chicken with the skin on, and grill some more with the skin off. Taste-test. There is a diference in taste, and most people prefer the skin-on chicken. I really haven't noticed a lot of diference in flavour eating low-carb foods, but that's food that is naturally low in carbs, not "frankenfood"...

You can learn to change your fats. F'instance, the ONLY fats added in my kitchen are Olive oil and Butter. Why Butter, and not one of those "healthy" spreads, with "the goodness of corn-oil"?

Because the corn oil has been partially hydrogenated, thus creating Trans-Fat. Butter, even though it has cholesterol, has no Trans-Fat, nor does Olive Oil. That "Good" corn oil is now about as healthy as eating Alkyd paint. In fact, I think they now use corn oil to make oil-based paint.....

Olive oil, sea-salt, pepper, chilis, garlic, herbs, all key ingredients to good cooking.

Which reminds me. tonight's laundry night, and that means a coupla hours spent downwind of a Long John Silver's...Nauseating Stench!
I haven't eaten that greasy shit in YEARS, and the last time I did, it stayed with me about 45 minutes....

strawberries, asparagus (both of which I love), steak, roast turkey, cashews, spinach souffle, shrimp, cheese, beans are all low carb or no carb foods. Even gravy is low carb. In fact, the Klondike Carb-Smart chocolate fudgesicle thingy I'm eating right now I like better than any high-carb one I've ever tasted. There are loads and loads of delicious, yummy low carb foods to eat. Why devote an entire page of a newspaper to how lousy low carb foods are. Even the relatively tasteless low-carb bread isn't bad when you load it up with a nice savory roasted chicken breast. Lots of low carb foods might not taste like what the chef would create in a 5-star restaurant, but neither does most other food. But, if you want to, you can cook gourmet low carb. I'm doing it and my husband raves about the food. I made a low-carb eggplant Parmesan last week that was fantastic. Tonight, we're going to have roasted Cornish game hen, asparagus with cheddar sauce, and baked potato with sour cream. The baked potato has a high glycemic index, but combined with the rest of the meal, the whole meal averages out to low carb. Best of all, I'm salivating right now over just the thought of dinner tonight, and the knowledge that I'm losing pounds eating this way.

Oh, and, as an afterthought - diet food should BE conventional food. Are broccoli and green beans diet food or just food? "Diet food," as a label, should be against the law. Food is just food.

Soft drink that has no calories is diet.

And some of the things you listed are indeed tasty. But the low-carb displays or the Atkins displays, etc. typically include less tasty alternatives.

As for the Post, you understate the realities of a food section in a newspaper. It is put out typically by people who love food, not just a restrictive low-carb selection.

It wasn't until Atkins became the hottest thing since Supa-sizing that we started see them market "No Carb Diet Water"...
I drink sparkling water. Just water, fizz, and grapefruit flavouring. Nowhere on the label does it say "Diet".
Schwepps, Canada Dry, Apollonaris, etc. don't say "Diet", they just say variations on "sparkling water".

As for the food section, well, who buys the advertising in the paper? Grocery stores. stores with shelves just chock-a-block of CRAP food that they want to get rid of. and that includes all KINDS of "less-tasty" foods, like Celery (yech) and frozen "chitterlings" (we call 'em "chittlin's"...I'd rather eat Gagh) and the like.

So, you get a whole page devoted to how Low-Carb Eating is No-Flavour Eating in order to keep the editor from getting irate phone calls from the store managers.

We've come a long way since all we had were those discs cut out of old styrofoam coolers called "rice cakes"...

feelings of hopelessness, self-destructive tendencies, and lack of nutrition education. It's a combination of physical & environmental (societal) factors that's just too much for some people to handle on their own.

If we're going to blame somebody, blame the PARENTS of obese children and the kid-friendly fast-food establishments. That's what we should focus on. The victims of obesity should be treated with compassion, otherwise we are just contributing to the problem.

Saying obesity is a choice is an oversimplification that reminds me of the anti-gay rights argument that homosexuality is a choice.

Why would anybody choose to be in a discriminated minority group? Better question: Why would anybody choose to discriminate? The poster is right about self-esteem issues, but the bullies have them too - they can just hide them better.

I know what you meant & I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just riffing on the word "choice".

Everyone encounters the things you list -- feelings of hopelessness, self-destructive tendencies and lack of nutrition education. Yet many people go on to live healthier lives.

I will blame parents for how they raise kids, but no I will not blame fast food. Where you eat and what you eat involve that word again -- choice.

I agree that the victims of obesity should be treated with compassion.

They spend literally BILLIONS of dollars on well researched marketing campaigns designed by child psychologists for the sole purpose of hooking kids on unhealthy products that they won't even voluntarily disclose the ingredients of? Kids (and many parents) have no defense mechanisms against these kinds of insidious tactics- and the resulting harm to themselves- as well as the cost to society is undeniable.

When vulnerable individuals are conned- whether out of their money or their health and well being- my inclination is to blame the con artist as much if not more than their victims.

and would like to add that most of us grow up with the notion of food (or sweet, starchy things) as a form of comfort. Therefore, when we are feeling fearful, depressed, angry, etc., many of us turn to food to ease our emotional distress.

The world has been a very frightening place lately and I think more and more people are turning to what comforts them, whether it be food, drugs, alcohol, smoking, or whatever makes them feel better. Although I am slim, I frequently catch myself - more often these days - turning to food to ease my mind than resorting to some healthier stress reliever. It's fast, cheap and easy - not to mention the fact that it's EVERYWHERE!

People 'choose' to avoid tacking on an 8 hour shift of hard physical labor on short rations on top of all the other stuff they have to do to survive in a sedentary society. How dare they?

Please note that humans evolved to be something like bears. Bears store fat for the long winter. Humans stored fat for long periods of near starvation. Humans survived because they were able to do this. We have, as a species, evolved to crave rich foods and store fat for periods of deprivation. Our problem is that we've become so successful in food production that our genetic heritage is now our enemy.

But, folks, I guarantee one thing - if ever this world comes to the point where we were 10,000 to 100,000 years ago, we fatties will be the only ones left to propagate the species.

Our ability to store fat easily has saved the species before and it may again.

prefer 'heavy-set' women because they will be able to survive periods of little food availability

at least subconsciously prefer until they buy into the Am TV image of female 'beauty'

world over until the 1950's. Marilyn Monroe would be called fat in today's world. Anyone remember Jayne Mansfield? Ever look at the models in old Sears catalogs? Then, something happened. Along came twiggy and then more and more skinnier and skinnier models. Then, suddenly, we were all expected to look like them. We tried dieting, a passtime that makes your body believe you are starving, so it compensates by decreasing your metabolism (any dieters ever notice feeling very, very cold?), and making you very, very hungry, thereby setting you up to fail. You wind up heavier. So you try again. It's a vicious circle.

Then you have someone come along who tells you you have no willpower? I've known a couple of folks in my life who have probably lost 500 pounds or more and gained it back, yo-yoing up and down. You can't lose that much weight without willpower. Willpower isn't that important in losing weight, but knowledge and common sense are.

We have been bombarded with diets. Some people have gone on EVERY diet. The answer is to not diet, never go on the first diet, but just eat healthy. Teach kids healthy eating habits from the beginning, but never, ever encourage them to "diet." Then, when the kids are older they will have to learn to deal with the pressures from every direction, TV commercials, friends, the poor food choices that they get even in school.

So why are we fat? I think its because we are told we must be thin and we try TOO HARD. I think its because we fell for the food pyramid. And, I think it's because we are genetically programmed to eat the kinds of foods that are the most rich and concentrated. And last, I think it's because the poor have to rely too heavily on pure, cheap starch.

those skinny bitches will be dropping like flies, and the (formerly) fat will rule the world!!!!! Mwuhaahaahaaa!!!

I always liked Roseanne's comment about "I don't eat any more than those skinny sales girls, I just don't throw up afterwards."

When Chris Farley is the closest you can get to a mainstream overweight movie star, well there you have it. His life off the screen was a tragic story of what all too many overweight people face: Ostracism and never fitting in.

That's why overweight people usually have to deprecate themselves to those who are not in order to find social acceptance; even then social acceptance is only fleeting because no matter how many fat jokes you tell, no matter how much you debase yourself, you're still an outsider.

When I was teased in high school the best thing I ever did for myself was using all that extra weight to beat the ever-living shit out of one of the foul-mouthed, mullet-wearing hayseeds that tormented me. Whatever people may have said behind my back was never said in front of me or to me after that beat-down.

I don't usually advocate violence as a solution, but trying to take the high ground with a drooling teenage bigot is as hopeless as trying to reason with a Christian fundamentalist or an Islamic fundamentalist. Some people only understand knuckles and steel toes.

Plus, it's a failing of our evolution as a species. People are still too hung up on physical attraction as a source of genetically hard-wired propensities for providing and protecting.

As long as that trait is replicated in the human population we'll always have hangups about how people look instead of what people can do which will always be biased against overweight people.

It portrays a world where all the people are young and beautiful -- even in their dotage. Weight isn't the only issue. Actors and actresses are generally chosen for sheer beauty, not much else.

is a major health concern and causes serious health problems, is scapegoating people. It is a fact, deal with it.

There are lots of causes for obesity and they vary by person, but the simple reality is that a person's risk of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, some cancers....increases if they become obese. Should we play ostrich and act like this is not an issue for many people in our society? Should we not try to encourage people to increase the quantity and quality of their lives by watching their weight?

that heavy people think there aren't health problems associated with being heavy. You assume that this needs to be pointed out to them.

I don't think there is a "fat" lobby (like we had with tobacco) telling people that being overweight is good. In fact, if you've attended a public school ever in the last 50 years, you probably are very aware of the problems of being overweight.

Pointing this out to heavy people is like point out to a black that they are black, a homosexual that they are gay, a Puerto Rican that they are hispanic. It is more than a little condescending to do so and exceedingly arrogant to think that that it is a solution to anything.

To let people know about the health problems associated with obesity simply because it might hurt peoples feelings?

If a disproportionate number of Americans face health problems due to obesity then it seems, to me at least, that the point hasn't been made clearly enough to the citizens of the country.

You suggest that pointing out that someone is fat is like telling a black person that they're black. Comparing ethnicity to obesity doesn't make sense. A person's ethnicity doesn't affect their health and not overeating, maintaining a balanced diet and getting enough exercise is not going to change a person's ethnicity. It may however, go a long way toward affecting their overall health.

There will always be people who will discriminate or bully other people for one reason or another and we should do everything we can to fight against that but that doesn't mean that obesity as a health problem should be ignored.

Said that heavy people don't need every person they meet throughout the course of a day telling them their fat and that they should try a healthier lifestyle.

I wasn't comparing ethnicity to obesity, I was comparing telling someone something they already know to telling someone something they already know.

Never said obesity as a health problem should be ignored. But I did agree that obesity as a health problem is the obese person's problem - not mine, not yours. Obesity must be dealt with between a person and their doctor, not their neighbors, friends, coworkers and people they meet on the street. Whatever the reasons for being overweight, it is part of a private medical record and none of my business. Keeping your opinion to yourself has got nothing to do with hurting anyone's feelings. It has everything to do with curteously minding your own business.

Exactly what part of adding just one variable to the mix -- activity levels -- eliminates fat as a risk factor is it that you don't understand?

Fat 'fact' takes on life of its own
Paul Campos, Rocky Mt. News
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_1213969,00.html
June 18, 2002

An abiding weakness of the conventional wisdom is that, once a supposed fact has become part of that wisdom, it becomes almost impossible to dislodge it. Contemporary journalism contributes to this problem by relying on technologies that help ensure an assertion, once it is repeated enough times, will never be checked against the actual evidence. Consider for example the claim that fat kills 300,000 Americans per year, and is thus the nation's second-leading cause of premature death, trailing only cigarettes.

A Lexis database search reveals that this "fact" has been repeated in more than 1,000 news stories over the past three years alone. Yet the evidence for this claim is so slim as to be practically nonexistent.

As University of Virginia professor Glen Gaesser points out in the forthcoming revised edition of his book Big Fat Lies, the supposed source for this claim was a 1993 medical study that made no such assertion. That study attributed around 300,000 extra deaths per year to sedentary lifestyle and poor dietary habits, not to weight, which was not even evaluated as a risk factor. Indeed the authors of the study, Michael McGinnis and William Foege, became so frustrated by the chronic miscitation of their data that in 1998 they published a letter in the New England Journal of Medicine, objecting to the misuse of their study.

A year later the journal published an article which actually did assert that obesity causes approximately 300,000 deaths annually. This article, "Annual Deaths Attributable to Obesity in the United States," is a classic example of junk science at its worst. After calculating the death risk associated with various weight levels derived from six epidemiological studies, the authors employed the following assumption: "Our calculations assume that all excess mortality in obese people is due to their obesity" (emphasis added).

That was, to put it mildly, a remarkable assumption. As Gaesser points out, "the authors made no attempt to determine whether other factors -- such as physical inactivity, low fitness levels, poor diet, risky weight loss practices, and less-than-adequate access to health care, just to name a few -- could have explained some, or all, of the excess mortality in fat people."

In fact there is a great deal of evidence that such factors are far more relevant to mortality than weight. Indeed, long-term studies conducted at Dallas' Cooper Institute, involving tens of thousands of subjects tracked for a decade or more, have concluded that all of the excess mortality associated with increasing weight is accounted for by activity levels, not weight. These studies show moderately active fat people have far lower mortality rates than thin sedentary people, and essentially the same mortality rates as thin active people. In other words, adding just one variable to the mix -- activity levels -- eliminates fat as a risk factor (the activity levels associated with optimum mortality rates are quite modest -- a brisk daily half-hour walk will by itself put a person in these categories).

Furthermore the 300,000-deaths-per-year figure was derived without taking into account factors such as yo-yo dieting and diet drug use, both of which have been shown to have devastating effects on health. Nor were variables such as class -- poor people die sooner than the well-off -- and social discrimination, which has been shown to have a very negative impact on health, taken into account. In short, the claim that fat causes 300,000 deaths per year should be dismissed as an assertion for which there is essentially no evidence. Journalists in particular ought to start noticing that fact, rather than endlessly reprinting the same piece of junk science.

Paul Campos is a professor of law at the University of Colorado. He can be contacted at paul.campos@colorado.edu.

some people are fat some are skinny. some are dieing cause they eat nothing to be a model of what our society is telling them to be. some exercise some dont. some are homo some hetero

male female tall short............

no one has the place to decide what another needs to be. no one. that fat person isnt going to hear this stuff and say oh fat bad k thanks i will lose it. they are where they are cause that is where they are for their reason. not yours or any other. this is not a news flash that fat is unhealthy, and the people that are fat arent thrilled that they are. every moment of every day, they feel they think they know they are. who are we as a society to point a figure to them, or anyone else for that matter

does anyone mind their own business anymore.

where were you when they were after motorcyclists? non-seatbelt wearers? women who wanted to "enhance" their bust size? steroid usage?

Some may be sensitive to the publicity surrounding this issue, but pointing out unhealthy behaviour is the current battlecry in the war against individual responsibility, .ie; suing the fast food industry for making us fat, blaming soft drink companies for childhood obesity,etc.. etc...
Not many other countries have the luxury of being outraged at the pet food industry that their pets are overweight. Obesity, bulimia, anorexia, etc.. are not problems in countries that are truly poor or deprived.

all by myself as i refuse the seatbelt and all tell me my irresponsibility, with 26 years oif responsibility. i give myself the job of keeping me safe not government not signs. as i stand for back off on the helmet but dont get on motorcycle cause i dont want an owie. i am the one i feel i can say fuck, without being accused of terroristic act and i am a smoker so know well the outright ugliness of. from adults to authority to children lecturing me

i have a record of standing to all of these so i am not shy

and i am one, lol that says what you say

a call for another support group for hurt feelings was being started. Keep up the good work.

And breed.

and two very beautiful kind generous souls, that have learned not to judge someone in weight cause they dont know their story. to think for themselves and dont trust someone else's conditioning of them. they can watch a commercial and not buy into it, they can sit in the panhandle of texas and see bush and his lies, they can go to a baptist school and see the endoctrination. and they can embrace the beauty they receive from these teachers, not in judgement yet trusting in self to see the truth

they learn discipline of self and balance in life in diet and their responsibility in it, they own their mistakes and not make excuses. they forgive easily and dont take personal someone elses issue

it isnt a bad thing to give a child in this world today. further i have become more stident in teaching my children to think for themselves cause of the overwhelming need of a nation of victims, and agendas and outright untruths to create a fear to control the population

i allow them their courage.

you hurt my feelings, and I consider that a form of assault.
</sarcasm>
lol.

Bullying is a developing problem in our society. I'm happy to see I"m not the only one who has a problem with it.

this issue should be used to EDUCATE families on good nutrition. Get RID of fast food and prepared food as the main portion of your diet and whether fat, skinny, or medium, people will be healthier and richer too(preparing your own food is cheaper).

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But oh well. Easier to just blame fat I guess. We all know the media has no time for things like facts when a good story is much easier for their lazy asses to write.


I agree with you that bullying has to stop. What shocks and sickens me is that last year or a couple of years ago when there was a push to try to stop bullying in school, some parents actually advocated leaving the bullies to do as they will. Called it 'character building' to get harassed by a bully.

Lunatics, I tell ya.

We'll evolve someday!

I see it time and time again - IN THE DU - people making fat jokes and displaying a complete lack of empathy for fat people. It's horrible and ugly and I call them on it.

What are you trying to say? That the study is dangerous and will turn people into bullies?

that obesity itself is the problem. There's many different diseases an obese or even an overweight person can acquire--like many different forms of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, heart attacks, strokes, and many other diseases. A lot of this has to do with the diets we are eating. Here in America, we've been "McDonaldized"--meaning that we eat a lot of fast food, quick, microwaveable stuff that's high in calories and fat, drinking a lot of soda (full of empty calories), and many other foods and beverages associated with high amounts of calories/fat/cholesterol.

Obesity is a real problem and many of us (including me..I'm slightly overweight myself) need to get better diets and more exercise before we succumb to the problems associated with obesity.

Exactly what part of adding just one variable to the mix -- activity levels -- eliminates fat as a risk factor is it that you don't understand?

I am fat too, and I'm sick of all the jokes.

People complain like it's evil to say it is wrong to demand verbal abuse stop.
Verbal abuse is INTENDED to hurt feelings,and yes contrary to what bullshit bullies claim about people's feelings being fragile,hurt feelings can kill you.

Being belittled day after day, really can chip away your heart like acid. Verbal abuse can tear a person down, it twists your self perceptions.No it isn't one insult it is YEARS of insults,and bullying people refusing to leave you alone and get the fuck away.

Bullies create victims because bullies can't exist without tearing someone else's heart apart because they are a form of sociopaths,arrogant,sick sadistic people.

Now I could pity the bully but I don't because the bully chooses to be an asshole.

Didn't your momma ever say if you do not have something nice,constructive or sane to say don't bother saying it?

Cruelty is ugly. But bullies live on inflicting it.If because of laws or other circumstances they can't go out and beat up people or kill them or take what is theirs from them they instead try to intimidate, they use their mouths to harm people in an abusive way.
Bullies and manipulators, people with overweening ambitions,control problems,authoritarian issues,who think they are entitled,and people that elevate themselves above others at others expense are the biggest most dangerous yet under recognized social and personal problem with our culture.

And being a bully to someone else,is one thing that is ALWAYS a choice made personally and deliberately by the individual who acts like a bully.

Whomever the bullies target might be has NOTHING to do with why the bully chose to inflict this hatefulness upon a person.
There are NO real excuses for bullies to act as they do,Society enables this bully bullshit way too much.There are no sane explanations to excuse the sadistic abuse they do to others it is the bullies fault and choice to abuse and they need to be shown their choice is intolerable and destructive in a way they can comprehend it enough to stop it..There are no rationales for bullying that make sense of it.Lots of people grow up in abusive homes and do not identify with abusers when they grow up. A choice is made to seek security and domination through doing creative evilness twords others.

Bottom line is bullies just need 'incentives to help them choose to stop hurting other people physically,financially,socially,verbally, or put a sock in their unwanted opinions,and decide to stop dominating social milieus and live and let live..People will be different,so all bullies will have to accept this fact and get over themselves..Authority and "norms" and bullshit like social Darwinism are a widely believed social delusions that bullies try to use to excuse themselves or demand entitlements with or hide behind when they choose to be an asshole to someone..I don't buy our cultures excuses.


I know all bullies choose every nasty word they say, they choose every targeted person,every punch and every theft,snub,lie and set up for maximizing the entertaining effects cruelty has for the bully. Bullies choose every gang of sycophants because they will go along with it and be his culture for company and enable him. The bully knows very well how to exploit human fear,weakness,vulnerability and pain.
More people just have to get the courage to say no,to not be bystanders to call these bullies out into the open so all can see and denounce their choices to harm others for fun or for sport.

Welcome to DU, Dirt Cheap.

I thought it was another Flush Slimeball thread. :)

Seriously though,I must admit I am a bigot. I hate loudmouthed,McCarthyistic,closed minded,greedy,right-wing fascist fanatics who are out to destroy this nation with every fiber of my being. Fuck 'em all to HELL!