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Strapping Buck Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:57 PM
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Homosexual Agenda Article -- Is this real?
Someone at work sent me this link from some freeper site. Does anyone know if this was an actual article in Guide magazine, or is this just some anti-gay propaganda?

http://traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/TVCSpecialRptOverhaulingStraight.PDF
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:59 PM
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1. Traditional Values is a anti-gay organization.
That crap is just homophobic lies.

Terry
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:03 PM
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2. The so-called "Religious Right"...
Has been using this phrase as a "scare tactic" to fire up their "brethren" for years. It's also a code phrase they use for Democratic policies in general. (For instance, Jesse Helms always used it as a standard stump speech "red-herring"). Pretty typical Fallwellian and Robersonian crap! :mad:

B-)
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:08 PM
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4. True...however...
...is the article authentic or some crap they made up? haven't read it yet, but it would be good to know.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:13 PM
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7. I looked at it.
I've never heard of the magazine they are talking about. Plus it was supposed to have been published back in 1987.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:06 PM
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13. Sounds like a long hard "google slog" when I get home.
*grumble*

was looking forward to playing video games tonight too. Ah, well.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:34 PM
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17. Yeah, but...
This has been going around in various forms for years.

Still, I wonder... once we all are "indoctrinated" to believe that people who are homosexual are entitled to the same rights and the same respect as all other people, what exactly are the people who are homosexual going to do?

I mean what is going to happen? Will homosexuals invalidate all heterosexual marriages and force us to file separate tax returns? Will homosexuals toss all the straights out of the military and make the U.S. Army an all-gay institution? Just what is it that all you people who are homosexual have planned for we all heterosexuals anyhow?
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:07 PM
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3. So, THAT Is The "Agenda?"
Jeepers, I have just been trying to live my life for the past 39 tears. Finally, I can now see in print my "agenda." Wow, have I been misguided. All along I thought that the "agenda" these hatemongers were ranting about was a fantasy. Now, I see the "agenda" in print. I have copied it to my hard drive and printed it out so I can study it. Is there a test I need to take now? Do I get a diploma? (SARCASM)
I really wish these assholes would get a life and leave me alone and the millions of other queers alone. (SERIOUS)
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:09 PM
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5. I always thought the agenda was...
...to be left the fuck alone so ya'll can live your lives with the same rights and respect everyone else is supposed to be entitled to.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:33 PM
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10. Hmmm.........
I think it's probable that activists such as Act Up have done more harm than good by their antics.

It should also be remembered that in the early days of the AIDS epidemic while the medical community was saying "Hey people! we have a problem here!" Gay activists at that time seemed to put out the message "Hurry up and cure this disease so we can get back to sodomizing each other without consequences!"

In the Reagan administration, the second message carried the day.

Personally, I think you should be left alone to get on with life.

It could be that all this negative stuff is mostly a reaction to the bad press that some Gays have brought on the rest, given the historic cultural bias against homosexuals, this has taken root. All this parading around "Hey look at me, I'm Gay and I'm Special!" just brings out more bad reactions.

Perhaps, ultimately, the "Leave us alone" message will be the best chance for success.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:57 PM
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11. What did Reagan do about AIDS?
As the epidemic was beginning quick action by the government could have done a lot. The feeling of some people was that AIDS (even before it got that name) was just fine.

My gay friends at the time were not putting out the message you quote. Once they realized what was happening, there was the grim wait as the chain of diagnoses grew. It was too late for them to do anything but face death bravely.

But since they aren't around to annoy you with their "antics"--that's all right.

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:37 PM
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19. Hmmmmmm
<<Gay activists at that time seemed to put out the message "Hurry up and cure this disease so we can get back to sodomizing each other without consequences!">>

That's is bunch of bullshit. The FIRST comunity to take action against AIDS was the gay comunity. Education, awareness and all at the same time the RAY-gun admin didn't do fucking thing.

I can't believe what you wrote. I would expect something like that at Freeperville NOT here.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:55 PM
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23. Sorry to get you upset
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 02:58 PM by Turbineguy
Maybe if you read the entire message again you will see how I view the situation personally.

As for the "messages" being put out at the time of Reagan ..... many were certainly misunderstood.

As for the Freeperville thing, I do not advocate such ideas, only list them. Obviously if I advocated such attitudes, I would be much happier at Free Republic.

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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:41 PM
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20. And they shouldn't?
Gay activists at that time seemed to put out the message "Hurry up and cure this disease so we can get back to sodomizing each other without consequences!"

I disagree with your analysis, but still... trying not to be too personal, but also considering the fact that it's advertised on TV... what exactly did the heterosexual community do about herpes or yeast infections? Didn't the pharmaceutical companies come up with drugs that would minimize the length of herpes outbreaks and get rid of yeast infections in three days instead of seven? For that matter, isn't the birth control pill not much more than an answer for those women who wanted to get back to having sex without worrying about getting pregnant?

Having sex is a pretty universal sort of human drive, whether it's gay or straight sex. I don't blame anyone for wanting to "get back" to it as soon as possible.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:17 PM
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15. YOU DIDN'T GET THE MEMO?? (nt)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:11 PM
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6. OH MY GAWD!
They're gonna MOVE NEXT DOOR AND MAKE YOU EAT QUICHE!

Get the guns!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:16 PM
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8. a number of yrs. ago someone asked me about the Gay Agenda


I said "do they have an agenda?". this straight person apparently thought so. apparently this 'agenda' is only in the minds of the anti-gay.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:30 PM
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9. I just read this document
and hmmm...weird but nothing in it is shocking or controversial. Basically the whole thing boils down to an awareness campaign.

attempt to show people that gays are normal
attempt to show people that gays are victimized
attempt to show people that those who victimize gays are not good people
attempt to do this is all walks of life.

Gee, how awful! you gays are trying to destroy my values!

If you changed the document to remove all references to homosexuals and made the items refer to Fundamentalist Christians would it be in any way controversial?

full disclosure: Straight, white male. (according to freeperland, I'm now one of the oppressed. gimme a friggin break).
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Strapping Buck Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:12 PM
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14. The problem is not the content but...
the approach. Although one might agree with the awareness campaign, the tone of the thing is one of subversion and slight-of-hand. If something is true and good, it will stand of its own accord and thoughtful people will see it for what it is.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:04 PM
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12. well, here's what the "Guide" in question has to say
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 02:06 PM by booley
http://www.guidemag.com/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=D41C25CD-A1CC-41FA-943DB076DCAE2233

"Crooked straights

Are you aware that the anti-gay Traditional Values Coalition has reprinted a 1987 article from The Guide and has posted it to their web site?

The article, "Overhauling Straight America," is posted at http://traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/OverhaulingStraight.pdf. The reprint includes the following statement: "As a public service, TVC is reprinting the full text of this Guide article below. (This article has been widely distributed on the Internet and is available at a number of other web sites.)"

G. Herek
media@herek.net


The article in question never appeared in The Guide. As with a lot of claims the right-wing puts out, this one is sheer fabrication. Of course, regular readers of The Guide would never imagine that we'd publish the dreck in question; the authors of "Overhauling Straight America" appear to be pathetic homos trying to "overcome" their homosexuality in their quest to become junior straight people. (One quote: "... In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector." Puke.) We're not begging the straight world to tolerate us-- we're bringing the straight world an exciting, different way to think about sex, a gay gift for everyone! "

While radical in thier views in many respects, apparently this "article" from the CINOs isn't an example of that...

Now if you excuse me, my Homosexual Agenda says I need to pay a traffic ticket, pick up my mail att he post office and try to do some weights before I go out. tonight.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:33 PM
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16. Nonononono...THIS is the Homosexual Agenda
I got it directly from the Head Homosexual:

6:00am Gym
8:00am Breakfast: oatmeal, egg whites, mimosas
9:00am Hair appointment
10:00am Shopping, preferably at Barney's or Prada
12:00pm Brunch
2:00pm (1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, state, and local governments as well as all other forms of world government (2) Destroy all healthy marriages (3) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents from Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels (4) Bulldoze all houses of worship (5) Secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media (6) Be Fabulous
2:30pm Mud mask and forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest
4:00pm Cocktails
6:00pm Light Dinner: soup, salad with romaine, radicchio, arugula, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing; Apple Martinis
8:00pm Theatre
10:30pm "Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight!"

;-)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:48 PM
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22. When do we elect a new "Head Homosexual".
Isn't the HH election coming up?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:01 PM
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25. love that Head Homosexual's agenda
nt
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eurolefty Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:37 PM
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18. Here's the official agenda:
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 02:41 PM by eurolefty
Oops, this agenda got posted already. I removed the dupe.

O8)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:41 PM
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21. I HATE 2:00 - 2:30 pm
Every day same thing, busy, busy, busy!
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:56 PM
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24. "Protocols of the Elders of Stonewall"
Don't laugh. Don't be surprised if the Right uses it like this.

Martin
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:04 PM
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26. Locking
Question has been answered and the originator of the thread is no longer at DU.
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