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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:59 PM
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Dow plunges 160 points!
Its now down to 10,295

This is partly in response to the unemployment figures coming out tommorrow which are not expected to be good. High debt. High deficit. Slow to no wage growth. Oil and gas prices. It all adds up.

The stock market is how the Bushies tend to measure the health of the economy. If the market continues to sink....Bush doesn't have a prayer.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:01 PM
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1. Bush Yammering Today, Er, I Mean Lying
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 05:03 PM by otohara
about productivity, blah, blah, blah...in Ohio of all places where jobless rate is very high....says Dems want to isolate America from the rest of the world...ha, ha - who has done more to isolate America from the rest of the world than boy king.

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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:50 PM
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17. Bush's yammering probably sunk the market
We've seen that happen before - Bush opens his mouth and the market heads south....
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:10 AM
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39. TRUE
CNBC had the market on the screen during the Bushco yammer today.
It was in the green a little and started heading down as he quacked.y
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:11 PM
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24. Yeah . . . .
I heard him say in that speech (in that pugnacious,
pseudo-folksy way he has) that workers from someplace to
Seattle were better off.

Huh?  What alternate universe is he living in?  I don't know
any WORKERS who are better off.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:02 PM
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2. A different Trifecta
Failure in Iraq
Failure at Jobs
Failure at Stock Market


He's gone
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:45 PM
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26. 36%
That's what he's headed for in the GE. Nothing's going to save the prick. My celebration plans are under wraps, but they are underway. Shhhhhhh....
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:02 PM
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3. But but the economy is coming back!....free trade is better than sex
:eyes:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:06 PM
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4. Productivity
Can you believe these people will look us in the face and drone on about productivity?

They think we don't understand? What does productivity growth mean?

1. There are now fewer jobs, because fewer "human resources" are needed.
2. The people who still have jobs have to work their butts off even more than before.

Gee, sounds great. Woohoo, productivity.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:43 PM
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13. well, they've been pissing in our face and telling us it's raining
for years now.

(I wish that line was original but it isn't).

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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:08 PM
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5. The bubble is effectively bursting
Everyone hold on. It's going to be rough.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:08 PM
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6. Does any one know what The Dow & S&P 500 were when....
AWOL/Moron took office? I think the Dow was at about 11,000. Anyway.... I think an issue should be made when they get back to those levels.

Like this.....

Congrats to The Republican Party for the success of you economic policies. After only 3 years and 4 months in office, the Dow and S&P are back to the same levels that President Clinton left them at. You have now achieved an annualized rate of return of ZERO for 3 1/4 years. Congrats on that achievement.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:57 PM
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20. I don't know much about the markets
but I know my 401K still looks like shit.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:23 PM
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29. I know the feeling
Mrs. Robb calls it our 201(k). :)
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:22 PM
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31. hey, we're on the same plan! (201k) LOL
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:14 AM
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40. where was the market when "FInancial Disaster" took over?
Dow 11500

Nasdaq 5000

SP 1400
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:13 PM
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7. Prosperity is just around the corner
With a chickenhawk in every pot.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:14 PM
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8. Forgot to mention that they've been holding back inflation figures....
for almost a month. I think we're heading into a double-dip. There is NOTHING pushing jobs up and I've seen everything going up in price. All imports are now more expensive due to the fall of the dollar against foreign currencies. As oil prices continue to rise, the cost of everything will skyrocket due to need for oil in plastics, machinery, transportation, etc. Things don't look good right now.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:20 PM
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11. That Is An Excellent Point, Sir
Those numbers must be awful, for if they were good, they would surely be being trumpeted about with glee. The political danger is tremendous for the criminals of the '00 Coup: Greenspan is itching to raise interest rates, which will cause rising unemployment by summer and fall, and rising inflation numbers will require him to act....

"The War Office keep three sets of figures: one to mis-lead the public, one to mis-lead the Government, and one to mis-lead themselves."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:26 PM
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21. Once he raises the interest rates....
the stock market will drop several hundred more points at least
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:32 PM
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23. Speaking of unemployment
The positive jobs number for February (+21,000) consists only of new government hires. The private sector did not add one job.
As Lou Dobbs pointed out last night - For the first time in American history, the private sector is not creating any new jobs.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:57 PM
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36. Add to that the fact that Dec and Jan job #s were revised downward
and you have a whole lot of nothing.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:17 PM
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9. There has been a lot of insider trading
If the insiders are getting out, something is up...errr, I mean going down.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:18 PM
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10. Could it have something to do with the BFEE's dirty little hand in
Haiti?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:20 PM
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12. If it goes below 10,000
Bush will lose. No doubt about it. Two times sinking below 10,000 and there will be no denying the double dip recession 100% under Bush's watch.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:45 PM
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14. jeez, folks, it's just the stock market. It could shoot back up tomorrow
and is pretty likely to.

We haven't had a correction in a while and we are due one.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:53 PM
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19. A true correction would result in a larger drop than now
The market has been overvalued for awhile now. The NASDAQ was up over 50% last year. I've seen lots of reports of big market makers being hesitant to buy based on overvaluation. I could see the Dow dropping a thousand points in total.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:46 PM
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15. Maybe the computers will breakdown (coincidentally) before the

unemployment figures are released just like with the PPI.

It could happen....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:49 PM
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16. Piehole Effect!
Bush was blabbing on today in Ohio about the great economy, "Why look at the stock market" (cuz they have NOTHING else)...
result: Market plunge.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:52 PM
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18. Get ready to hear "the stock market is not the only economic indicator"
It kind of goes along with the republican line: The president does not control job creation, the economy, et. al.

That is, unless they can somehow spin numbers to make them look less than pathetic. Then Bush should somehow deserve credit.
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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:29 PM
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22. Oh, you know that crap is coming....
after all, it is NEVER his fault. You could run a campaign on that slogan....wait a minute, he is!!!
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tomlu8 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:32 PM
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25. Deficits , deficits, deficits...
We have an artificially inflated stock market today that doesn't reflect the reality of the true economy.
Multi-billion dollar trade deficits means we are buying more than we are exporting.
American dollars are losing value in the world market and the Federal Reserve keeps printing new money, which waters down the value of the dollar. Runaway-inflation will soon follow and then the Fed will tighten money supply causing high interest rates and a new recession.

If we don't do something about the rising government deficit, by raising taxes or cuts in spending, or both, the recession will be long and painful.
Remember Reagan's Recession?
Dubyas trying to out-do him in every way.
He already has Hoover's jobs record.
Now he wants to bankrupt the Federal Government.
There's a distinction no other president can claim.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:23 PM
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41. Hi tomlu8!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:53 PM
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27. This wipes all the gains since the beginning of the year
Now Bush can't even point to the market as a sign of economic growth.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:22 PM
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28. ....and the economy is just humming. Bush* is 100% in denial mode.
It's a fine line between being in denial and lying.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 09:00 PM
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30. Careful with the exclamation marks...
...I can just hear the FReeper trolls now: "the commies at DU are cheering the plunging DOW!"
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:25 PM
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32. Let's see how they manipulate the Febuary jobs stats...
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 11:41 PM by Zinfandel
What will they say..."a short month"?

Job losses, record deficits, inflation, record bankruptcies, home foreclosures and the markets dropping...but Rove's plan is to pound away into the American people and media that the tax cuts for the rich and corporations are working. They have no other choice but to lie and stick with the bullshit and hopes that line will sell and Kerry will back off the economy.

Tell the lie enough times and a good percentage of the sheep will buy it.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:28 PM
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33. PPI inflation numbers are being witheld
due to "computer problems" for the firs time in 60 years. I have a feeling that they are reworking the numbers.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:29 PM
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34. My name for our leader is - Resident Deficit
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:53 PM
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35. Didn't Elaine Chao or someone say the stock mkt IS the economy?
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:21 AM
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37. A lot of stocks are coming off 52 week highs.
EBAY and QCOM (two that I frequently trade), just as example. It's about time some across the board profit-taking started taking place.

I've been an on&off active trader for six years now, and one lesson I've learned (the hard way $$$), you can rarely count on the days politics to forecast market movements (well, there was an obvious short-play in coup 2000).

I guess what I trying to say, don't count on market being down for long. Not saying it won't continue south, just be careful using a down market as a political talking point.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:27 AM
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38. 1% is not a plunge
get a grip
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