Bush readying DRAFT of tens of thousands of programmers under 45!

The new Skills Specific DRAFT will draft tens of thousands of programmers, men and women, to create the tracking software needed for the Airborne Laser, which will need millions of lines of code in the next few years. The SSS is getting the new SSPDS ready for 2005. From scratch, a good programmer can do about 100 lines of properly working complex code a month and DoD can't afford to contract this all out (=PROGRAMMER DRAFT). They are very serious about the SSPDS--this is no joke. Spread the WORD.

THIS is Bushco's solution for jobs!

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/NovDec2003-Register.pdf (go to P. 6) – from sss.gov home page

HELL NO WE WON'T CODE!

Better to work to defeat Bushco!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

Fucking bastards wanted to put coders out of work so they could draft 'em!

THAT's what they had in mind. In some ways, this is like a self-serving version of the New Deal. Only this time, the government will enslave the highest skilled Americans and force them to do Carlye's and Halliburton's bidding. Pretty nefarious group we have in office these days.

Sergeant: I don't know but I've been told
Troops: I don't know but I've been told
Sergeant: Microsoft writes shitty code!
Troops: Microsoft writes shitty code!
Sergeant: Sound off
Troops: One-Two!
Sergeant: Sound off
Troops: Three-four!

"You're in the Army now!
You're in the Army now!

You'll never get rich,
fixing a glitch,
You're in the Army now!"

Sergeant: I don't know but I've been told
Troops: I don't know but I've been told
Sergeant: Microsoft writes shitty code!
Troops: Microsoft writes shitty code!
Sergeant: Sound off
Troops: Zero-One!
Sergeant: Sound off
Troops: False-True!
Sergeant: Sound off
Troops: Zero-One-False-True! That's right!

It just wasn't coming to me, though

DEAD-BEEF might provide a jumping-off point for you...

http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/d/DEADBEEF.html


F001-F001 (~FOOLFOOL) is another.

Atlant

"The shittiest code you'll ever see
Is written out -- by us draftees
The shittiest code you'll ever see
Is...written out by...US DRAFTEES!!"
John
Your left your right your left.

One of the few professions that cannot be outsourced--looks like my kids won't be choosing it, if I have anything to say!

Men and women under 45, no medical deferments, 62 medical specialties already needed by DoD, must register by May 1, 2005 at the local P.O. like the programmers if Bush is reselected and asks for the DRAFT on April 1, 2005.

But actually they have Doctors in India reading our X-Rays it seems(not all but some).

AND I have heard for a long time (since bush was a Gov.)that he plans to solve the nursing shortage by bringing aliens in to be those nurses. Very scary stuff. He can get the Mexicans to work as a nurse for far less money than an American trained Nurse. And hey, they don't demand benefits either!

will be in a "little bit of danger", but don't worry. They'll be gone soon.

expendable to the Godfather. The Bush Mafioso sees us than nothing more than an irritation he has to deal with somehow.

skills.

does someone here like to tell me just how far we away from slave labor? OR IS IT HERE ALREADY ?..

they are now not allowed to leave the military (stop-loss orders they are called).

They are serving their country. Forget why they are in Iraq, they are still serving their country and that is not slavery.

If they try to leave they are arrested, just like a slave...

We all have a duty to serve if called upon.

By conquering countries for oil according to the PNAC Plan, and going beyond the active-duty limit of 480,000 troops, he is AWOL from the Constitution when he makes 40,000 stop-loss orders.

He is just trying to bandaid over the fact that if he wasn't up for election he would have already had to start the DRAFT. They just sent Company B of the Arlington HONOR GUARD, you know.

This is not a question of serving the country in a time of great peril for the country. There is absolutely no threat to US security from Iraq. The only thing one would be serving in Iraq is the privatization of the Iraqi economy by multinational corporations.

You might be able to make a case for "duty" in the Afghani campaign against Al-Queda. However, 90% of US personnel are in Iraq, and could be shifted to the Afghani theater within a few days. Therefore, there is no real need for increased personnel.

It is their duty to show up or file as CO.

The whole damn invasion of Iraq is a war crime. US Troops have a DUTY to disobey blatantly illegal orders.... such as being ordered to commit a war crime.

Go look it up. A soldier is required to disobey illegal orders.

It is only their duty to act on legal orders.

However, if he suddenly wants to be a CO (not fighting ANYWHERE), then he is breaking his contract.

own ass on the line, Muddle?

You don't have to wait to be called. If you think going to war for a fascist empire is such a good idea...why don't you go sign up right now?

There are just causes and unjust causes, and what Bush and his gang of thugs are doing is not just.

btw, when you become a vet, you can also thank Bush for making sure your benefits were cut.

and when you are programming, just remember that depleted uranium is not a problem, according to the military, so if they want to plop your ass down in the middle of a former battlefield which is still hot...as in uranium hot...just remember the glorious cause when you want to have kids and they have three fingers on each hand.

I think if you asked a soldier in Iraq what he was doing, I don't think he'd call it slavery. You don't know that they'll be there in 2010.

Are we a free people of not? I expect we are going to
find out.

edit: changed decade

RNs and APRNs. My wife is an APRN, well within the age limit. I have two sons, 16 and 19 (19 yo is a programmer). Needless to say, this isn't a subject we take lightly in our house.

On a percentage basis, not registering is the most likely way to prevent you from being drafted. The book Chance and Circumstance states that between 250,000 and 2 million males did not register for the draft during the Vietnam War. According to reports from the Selective Service System, forty percent of the men who are required to register for the draft don't register in the sixty-day time period required by law. At least one or two percent still haven't registered by the time they are twenty. At age 26 they are no longer allowed to register. Thus, the number of permanent non-registrants increases daily. There is a known minimum of at least 300,000 people, perhaps a million, who are becoming permanent non-registrants.

If you refuse to register with Selective Service, you'll receive threatening letters, at first politely reminding you to register, then threatening prosecution, finally informing you that your name has been turned over to the Department of Justice for possible prosecution. These sound scary, but they're mostly bluff. No one has been formally charged since 1986.

In the early 1980s, 21 men were indicted for refusal to register: 19 of those 21 were public resisters. Wherever there were trials, the rates of registration actually went down. This resistance halted prosecutions

http://www.duckdaotsu.org/resist.html

Many governmental and non-gove jobs require you have registered with Selective Service. If you lie and are caught, you lose the job.

are looking to be government servants....more likely, they work under the table or are similarly self-employed.

for once......

Wally-world!

:):):) :):) :):):)

Doesn't that sound strangely like slavery?

Military service is something that has no civil correlary. It's not like drafting you deprives you of of you right to go out and fight for somebody else.

But drafting you to do something you're out there trying to sell in the free labor market? On its face, that's weird.

Prescott Bush, W's GRANDFATHER, was the official "Manager" of the Silesian Coal and Steel factories that Auschvitz slave labor was used for (According to recently revealed German docs by a Dutch WWII agent).

http://rochester.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/845.php

-snip-

Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation was located near the Polish town of Oswiecim. When the plan to use Soviet prisoners as forced labor fell through, the Nazis began shipping Jews, communists, gypsies and other minority populations to the camp the Nazis had set up. This was the beginning of Auschwitz. The reason Auschwitz was located there was because of the abundant supplies of coal which could be processed into aviation fuel. I.G. Farben soon built a plant near Auschwitz to take advantage of not only of the nearby coal deposits but also of the slave labor supply available at Auschwitz. According to a Dutch intelligence agent, Prescott Bush managed a portion of the slave labor force in Poland.

-snip-

IT'S IN BUSH'S GENES!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

along with any mention in polish newspapers about the protests that accompanied bush's visit to auschwitz.

or there about. But, then, he did it under a Democratic America when such things were voluntary.

seeing the pyramids being built. let my people go, lol lol

and kinda bring this up and then ask: given the Bush has strectched our military too thin by not going into this war with an international coalition, how long into a second term do you think it will be before he starts another draft. How long before he finds "reasons" to attack other countries and needs more military. Oh, and by the way, since all of this is getting so expensive and we are drowning in national debt, how long into a second term before Bush tearfully tells you "TRUST ME, I GOTTA RAISE YOUR TAXES"??? Come on John, put the fear into them. Amazing how those cold buckets of water in the face can make people lay down their flags and stop shouting USA, USA!!!

If the department of defense started a new unit comprised of cutting edge techies, and offered decent union wages, with benefits, they would have lines around the block and into the next county..

the group of people & jobs that the Republicans went out of the way to eliminate.

and are there "image" criteria? Too bald, too fat, too smokey, credit too bad after trying to find ANY employment in the last X years, too many previous employers notwithstanding mergers, downsizings, short-term private and government consulting contracts that were abruptly cancelled due to golf-game team shake-ups, take too many pills for problems associated w/aging like menopause, depression, anxiety, personal transportation emits too much pollution, household uses too many Internet hours and visits the WRONG sites, no brands on any piece of visible clothing, just any old subjective, arbitrary reasons?

What's up with the age discrimination? I seem to recall that those OVER age 40 were protected by some code as it relates to federal (military?)workers and applicable to those corporations that engage in federal contracts...no? What about those IT-types that are too old, but not old enough, TOUGH LUCK; these folks can hope they don't make it to a ripe, OLD age or need Aricept!

Either way it's insulting, demeaning, and seems euphemistic for SLAVERY - On second thought, perhaps re-training for Walmart or burger flipping would be preferable - is that the strategy? Perhaps some could hold out that way until "retirement." Ah yes, time flies when one is having FUN, boomer-style!

The military has been chopping out its "dead wood" civilian force by attrition/forced early retirement for years. They even tried to black mail someone I know by offering to pay the freight for a Ph.D.--never did find out if the offer was accepted.

Any way, many already have a DD Form 214 and learned how to shoot at the enemy! One can only hope that short-term memory goes first...so we won't remember why we needed to remember that training.

However, the idea of drafting programmers to build weapons systems is a joke. I was an electronic warfare systems developer (energy weapons) for Lockheed. Trust me, Joe (Joleen) Blow, the web developer, ain't gonna be able to control a laser.

And an experienced programmer can pump out 15-20 lines a day, or 300-400 lines a month (fully tested and documented). Weapons system programmers have to be real experienced.

But all it takes is a few programmers who strongly disagree with what they are being forced to write to deliberately insert a few hard-to-catch bugs. Sabotaging the system would be almost trivial and nearly guaranteed.

analysts, even people in the Defense Industry now who are working on the weapon systems already. Then they just give them a uniform and pay them less.

Senior analysts, top program designers. The law will just read "Computer expertise" and then DoD will put out a need for say 300 senior Unix system analysts. Out of a pool of a few thousand, they then DRAFT the most talented and experienced under the age of 45.

GLAD you have experience here!

Trying to find out the range of estimates on the total number of lines needed for the Airborne Laser tracking system with 60 ABLs aloft and the ability to knock down a full Russian launch, not just a rogue state launching a dozen. Any calculations on that?

Also they want all this coding done ASAP for the ABL testing schedule, meaning more programmers and analysts than a slower timeline.

Think about the bad choices Lockheed and Boeing have made as private corporations. Do you think this is the first step (albeit a hypocritical one) to nationalize the weapon's industry?

waiting to be drafted, but the truth is, there are relatively few people able to do such work (relative to the number of active programmers around) and drafting them would generate a huge stink.

As to estimates of project size, that's dependent on what's really needed. Most of the software will be training simulations, system maintenance tools, security stuff, and on and on and on. In the tens of millions of lines, anyway.

The weapons system itself would be trivial. 10 - 20 software people for a year or so, worst case. Depending on the maturity of the underlying technology. When all you're builing is test cases for the EE's, you aren't getting much closer to the finished product.

And there's plenty of pot smoking SE's out there building blasters and death rays. Gotta stay sane somehow.

That is a much harder nut to crack, believe me. Tagging people to work in hospitals saving lives is one thing, but tagging people to write software to run weapons systems is quite another.

you wont be wanted. hm..........how many computer geeks do you think that will dismiss, lmao. if it stopped bush from flying nuked weapons........

Wasn't it a big deal to the founding fathers that press gangs needed to end? Isn't THIS much the same thing? This time it is based on your skills rather than being able to sail a boat--but it seems too similar for words.

I dunno, I do think that programmers are a bit different than the average Joe out there--I'd be durn careful about forcing THOSE guys to write code for anything--you're liable to end up with a bunch of (at best) useless code, if not actually dangerous stuff. If the "code warriors" are writing viruses NOW what will it be if they are suddenly forced to produce code?

Scares hell outta me--my husband is a 'puter dude--and I know he'd not be any too thrilled with that kind of forced labor. I can't imagine what other less mild mannered guys would be like...


Laura

;-)

I'm over 45! Damn!!! LOL

Urging me to update my civilian skills inventory for the Army Reserve (I am, for the moment, a drilling reservist). I threw it in the shitcan, since I know exactly why they would be interested in knowing detailed information about my skill set. Screw 'em. I'm about this close to retirement, and when I get my 20-year letter, I'm gone in a puff of smoke.

My, the industry standard has come down a long way if a hundred lines a month is considered good in the age of compiled languages. Some of us have been known to do 1000's of lines of complex code in a month with compiled languages.

anybody remember the movie:
Real Genius
this reminds me of it.

Said so in another post this morning.

LOL.