One year later: Dan Abrams says he was wrong about supporting War in Iraq

I just heard it with my own ears - his closing argument on his nightly show.

He reviewed his closing arguments during his shows leading up to the war in which he supported the war. His support was based primarily on Saddam's refusal to let inspectors in and the suspicion of WMD's.

Now Dan has had a change of heart. He feels the Iraqi people are better off with Saddam not in power, BUT

as far as this war being worth the cost of lives, the $$$$$ costing American taxpayers, the fact that the 911 connection was weak to begin with and is now non-existent, Dan feels now that NO, this war was not worth it.

Abrams goes further to say that the Bush admin DID overstate the threat of WMD's, but he feels it was not deliberate. *cough*

Will wonders never cease. At least the worm is turning some.

for the war? Well, he can start immediately by telling the truth on his show and other reporters..We've been waiting for these reporters to wake up and smell the coffee because it's because of THEM that we're at where we are today! They've been a bunch of accomplices!

And how much more did MSNBC gain when they had Americans tuning in in huge numbers for a front row seat to the Shock and Awe Show? He ushered in the deed. If we at DU knew the war was a scam then a well-paid reporter, or whatever the hell Abrams fancies himself, should have known too. When he busts his hump to get out the truth about how we're being screwed over by this administration, then maybe his words will actually mean something.

At least the shmucks at the cable news stations had the decency to suspend advertising during 9-11. But then, who wants to have their ad placed after footage where people free-fall from the fiftieth floor? My guess is they needed the war to make up the budget shortfalls from 9-11.

Fuck them.

*well, maybe it wasn't worth it*

Yeah, it's called Cover Your Ass. We all knew what it was from the start. I don't buy these lying cocksuckers' arguements.

should be that BUSH is the one that kicked the UN inspectors out.

and he'll learn that the invasion of Iraq didn't have a DAMN thing to do with terrorism WHATsoever. It's just disgraceful that someone in his position is so ignorant.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/vv/20040220/lo_laweekly/51202&cid=891&ncid=1501

on edit: not to mention, also, that Saddam had let the inspectors in and they had free reign to look and were finding nothing, and the war was hurried before it became a conclusion that there WEREN'T any WMD's.

Asshole media whores. Hope they enjoy burning in hell.

This crap about them not deliberately misleading the American people is part of the tune.

I gotta watch the repeat just to see him say this again.

When I saw the teaser I grabbed a pen and started making notes! I couldn't believe it!

Most Americans simply really believe the bullshit they are brainwashed with that 100% of all things American are goodnees and light, like a goddamn Kinkade painting...



Most people have the same illogical faith in all things American that people have towards their religious beliefs. Analysis of facts is beyond these people, because their worldview is not fact-based, it's faith-based.

Unfortunately, progressives almost literally have to put these brainwashed minions through a "rock-bottom" experience similar to those that addicts face when they finally realize how much damage their faith in their substance of choice is causing all those around them.

There's a whole lot of brutal realizations going on in this country. This is just another story of American realizing the neo-con greed is dragging this country to rock-bottom and taking them with the neo-cons into the gutter.

Looks like a beautiful picture though..

and that his paintings are "art".

Funny stuff, that.

he is a stupid ass, and a republican. ya know that song "i knew the bride when she used to rock and roll"? me and the best man at the wedding were humming it through the whole reception. still mad at her for bringing that ass into the family.

the doubt.

It's clear Dumbo was lying, and he knew he was lying. When will this revelation ceom to people like Abrams when it has been so painfully obvious to most of us for so long?

He is a whore. His job is his God.

He is a putz. Like all the rest.

Yesterday he was being adament about fighting the war on terror and mixing it up with Iraq and just driving me nuts. He pissed me off so bad I let out a real rant, which I usually don't do in emails. Honest I don't. Do you think it actually might have made a difference?

You stupid, ingnorant waste of life. How about we join the rest of the world and actually fight the terrorists? You know, the REAL terrorists. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with al qaeda. Saudi Arabia is where the 9/11 terrorists came from. Wanting to go after the REAL terrorists is NOT appeasement. You are nothing more than a Bush propagandist. It's absolutely revolting what is happening in this country. You and every other supposed reporter in the television media is personally responsible for the 600 deaths of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqis. If somebody actually reads this, I want you to pesonally get up and go tell Dan Abrams that he has the deaths of all these people on his head. Because as long as he repeats the lies of this Administration, he is responsible for the outcome. He and every other MSNBC reporter who repeats this insantiy. 237 lies www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record All tallied up for you so you don't have to strain yourself. Why don't you report on this Dan? Or will you get fired for reporting the truth?

the light. His father has appeared on some cable shows and he is wonderful. I like Dan Abrams - always have.

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Supreme Court I believe. A very prominent Democrat as I recall.

Elliot?

Specializes in First Amendment cases.

Thanks for the name.

I'll watch for him.

Whether it's "MOBILE WEAPONS FACTORIES FOUND IN IRAQ!!!" or the Dean scream repeated 999 times a day or every one of the paranoid "orange alerts" it's always hype the hysteria as loudly as possible and then, once the damage is done, you can very quietly make the retraction and admit how wrong you were about the whole thing :eyes:

:eyes:

1. The invasion of Iraq
and
2. The shock and awe of the American people when they found out they were lied to.

it's more like they're covering his ass. And their own.

I just like hearing the words "Bush" and "lie" used in the same sentence.

He is a newswhore and whatever will "make news" is what he supports.. It would have taken courage, intelligence, and wise use of time, to investigate, research and delve into the myriad sources of factual information available back then..

It's much easier to wave the flag, pin the flag pin on your lapel, shout "Huu-Aah", and go get the fax from Karl Rove..

How brave is it now, for him to have a "change of heart", after there is NO denying the facts that keep tumbling out , into plain view of EVERYONE??

He will do what he always does (they ALL do),, He will report what he's told to report...he might hint at the edges that "maybe the government was wrong", but when push comes to shove, he will say what they want him to say, and then go back to the really important stuff.. Kobe...Scott Peterson..Robert Blake..the wacko family-killer guy...Martha... etc :(

If I were to go into court and make as many "not deliberate" false statements as Bush I'd be in jail for the next 100 years on a perjury conviction.

RC

AbramsReport@MSNBC.com

And let him know that Bush lied on purpose, that they administration knew there weren't any goddamn WMD's.

Use this article:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/vv/20040220/lo_laweekly/51202&cid=891&ncid=1501

And use this info from it:

Q: What do you believe the real reasons were for the war?

A: The neoconservatives needed to do more than just topple Saddam Hussein. They wanted to put in a government friendly to the U.S., and they wanted permanent basing in Iraq. There are several reasons why they wanted to do that. None of those reasons, of course, were presented to the American people or to Congress.



Q: So you dont think there was a genuine interest as to whether or not there really were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

A: Its not about interest. We knew. We knew from many years of both high-level surveillance and other types of shared intelligence, not to mention the information from the U.N., we knew, we knew what was left and the viability of any of that. Bush said he didnt know.

The truth is, we know didnt have these things. Almost a billion dollars has been spent a billion dollars! by David Kays group to search for these WMD, a total whitewash effort. They didnt find anything, they didnt expect to find anything.



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Then my original opinion of him was probably right. When he first started as a legal commentator at MSNBC I found him to be very intelligent and open minded. I haven't cared for his show for the most part cause he covers too much infotainment bullshit, but this report doesn't surprise me too much.

It's a show. I stopped watching him many months ago. He is merely another Media Puppet. Entertainment in the guise of news or serious dialouge.

This characterization of most American sheep is quite apt:

"Most people have the same illogical faith in all things American that people have towards their religious beliefs. Analysis of facts is beyond these people, because their worldview is not fact-based, it's faith-based.

Most people just cannot get themselves to drop the fairly tales of religion and America the Beautiful. It's too painful, sorta like finding out your beloved parents are seriel killers or something like that.

I'm going to write him a letter of thanks .
Very few in the media have come forward
and said they worng. Courage like that should
be appreciated .

If Bush had said that Saddam probably has wmd, I wouldn't call it a lie.

But Bush said "there is no doubt" that Saddam had wmd. I'd call that a lie.

Speaking with absolute certainty when you aren't sure is lying.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"Originally, the Iraqis indicated they had just a small quantity of VX (nerve agent) ... Now the U.N. believes that Saddam may have produced as much as 200 tons ... enough to kill everyone on Earth." - Clinton Administration Defense Secretary William Cohen, Feb. 8, 1999

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Former Vice President Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members… It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"forgot" is that all these statements were made based on information from the White House, which was totally lies.

Contrary to opinions here about the media "knowing," I doubt that most of them actually did know, and I doubt that those you quote actually did know that they were hearing lies. I think most of them actually believed what they were told, but should have done their own research and investigative reporting. You might just lump them in with about 60 percent or more of the population that fell for the lies.

They're not that accustomed to the fact that the White House can lie so baldly. A good half the country still believe the lies.

Then perhaps you should be the last person people get information from. Don't you think?

I swear, most of the time i am surrounded by idiots.

for sure when it comes to politics

I thought it was just a personal problem

It amazes me how this person and others like him go through law school and get a good high paying job working for CNN and yet seem to have little sense or critical thinking skills.

Meanwhile, here i sit unemployed and broke.

to the choir back then! He still is!

Bush didn't deliberatly lie, my dying ass. :eyes:

:hi:

Unlike the other media whores.

admitting that you are an accomplice to murder doesn't really make it better. All of the whore media deserve to be fired and imprisoned with their boy toy king for crimes against humanity.

I don't care who is in charge, never trust your leaders, always question, it's the god damn American way!!

10,000 innocent dead iraqi's, 500+ and counting dead Americans, thousands more injured. By the time we clean up Iraq if ever, the cost will be in the trillions. And all he has to say is whoops? Whoops?!!! Jeezus fucking Christ! Whoops?!

They knew *Bushco was lying through their collective teeth because their lies were so damn obvious, but Dan and his fellow media whores decided to just go along for ride and help deliberately mislead the sheeple into invading a country that didn't have any connection whatsoever to 9/11. It was all war all the time for all the media whores!

And now he's supposedly seen the fucking light? And people are supposed to congratulate him for saying what he should have said over a year ago if he hadn't been such a willing shameless two-bit media whore?

Sorry, but that's one bandwagon I ain't willing to jump on.

shit when he jumped on the bandwagon when Bush circle determined they were going after Iraq OIL come hell or high water and now that the case has fallen apart Dan Abrams is covering his butt.

But at least he is saying so, which is more than some of the media whores are doing, so i give him that much. It would still be a lot better if he didn't kiss up and excuse them for deliberately lying to the American public about the connection to 911 and WMD's.

I knew that was bogus at the time and was frustrated as hell that it was being presented that way.

Later he can come out and say "I was one of the first to admit I had been duped."

Sir:

How is it that I -- with no NexisLexis, no research staff, no law degree, no access to power -- was able to discern prior to the attack on Iraq what you just now claim to have realized? Millions of people around the planet were intelligent enough to see through the WH lies. It's cold comfort to hear you admit to having been wrong, now that America's treasury and its children are committed to this fool's errand for generations and after your network whored itself to help sell the lies of madmen bent on empire.

To hell with you. An eternal damnation to a fundamentalist's hell is not punishment enough for you and your ilk to pay for the loss of America's status in the eyes of the world and for our increased vulnerabilities.

Educate yourself, and then do your job as if only you stand between the people and tyranny. That's your only hope for redemption.

*sigh*

actually *thinking* about this a year ago, he wouldn't have to make this "brave" change of course now. Fuck that fool.

He should admit that he's lazy and gullible. He should suggest MSNBC go grab some random anti-war protester off the street and offer that person his (Abram's) job. You know- someone with the ability to be skeptical. Someone who isn't a complete fucking tool.

Pardon my language, but this shit just burns my ass. It takes a YEAR'S worth of murder and corporate looting to get these media idiots to exercise even a mild degree of critical thought. And then I'm supposed to be IMPRESSED?