Smoke & Mirrors: A blue collar's guess at the REAL reason for Iraq

The current war in Iraq isn't about WMDs...or liberation...or even oil.

It's about YOU.

While you are busy watching the atrocity of the day, Bush and his corrupt little club are busy looting the treasury, stealing from YOUR children, to enrich their buddies.

But there's more...

The Expanded Security Act of 2003 was signed into law the day that they announced Saddam's capture. While everyone in America was watching them pull Saddam out of a hole (assuming that it really WAS Saddam...haven't heard much about him since, have we?), Bush was singing "PATRIOT II", further eroding the essential civil liberties that make us who and what we are.

This is NOT, of course, to say that the war isn't WRONG. Of COURSE it's wrong, on every level. But to assume that the administration has any motive other than to enrich their pals, and to finish the job of turning our republic into a plutocracy/theocracy, is the height of gullibility.

So, my fellow liberals, democrats, and Americans, get off your ass, and get out the vote.

It's your very last chance.

....from your local voter reg office
pick up a thousand or so
and get out there in front of the grocery store!

do it every weekend until November!

Seeing how you're posting a thread on this atrocity known as the PATRIOT II, I'm gathering you think it's a pretty atrocious bill and that the administration that pressed for it should be removed. But what about the Congress, do they have no respobility for this, and what of another candidate for president who was also in the Congress at this time. I know he voted for the PATRIOT Act, but what of this PATRIOT II. Did he vote for it? If he did, does it really matter if we vote?

1. Yes, as far as I know, he partook in the "voice vote" (the yellow bastards didn't even have the guts to do it normally). I do not know which way Kerry voted.

2. Does it matter if you vote? Um, in a word, YES. Even assuming that Kerry might be "Bush-lite", what are the odds that he will (even if he TRIED) assemble a cabinet as utterly corrupt and fanatical as the current one? The first step is to STOP THE BLEEDING. We can go searching for a perfect world later.

But you just presented a major artery leak here, and not only did Kerry not bother coming with a tourniquet or a band-aid even, he actually helped deliver the razor blade, so how will voting for him change anything about PATRIOT II since he voted for it, which I'm assuming means he supports these things, or did he forget to read that one too?

1. As I said, I am unsure if he voted FOR or AGAINST it. I'll look into that.

2. Again, what are the odds of him assembling a cabinet as bad as the one that is currently tearing our nation down? Face facts: we only have three choices this election: Bush, Kerry, or some 3d party geek that's gonna split the vote (AGAIN), which, of ocurse, equals Bush.

There might be a time to push for a viable 3d party. This ain't it. Too much is at stake.

because if it's for he has as much respect for freedom as bush, which is zero. i mean did you read this thing? i don't care if jesus is attorney general NO ONE should have that kind of power. anyone who would think PATRIOT II is a good idea is as bad as Bush and will not receive a vote from me.

is scary. I found plenty of records of the Act itself, but no indication of who voted for/against. OTOH, maybe I just suck at internet searches.

I remember when then text of it was leaked to the press and it created quite a shit storm because it's just that bad. Ashcroft and co said, "Oh no, this is just an idea we've had we're not going to submit it." And they've just been putting it in piece by piece by tacking it on to random legislation, so you won't find a vote on "PATRIOT II" but you will find a vote on Transportation Appropriations Bill, and Fiscal Year 2005 Budget, etc, etc.

that might NOT happen. I know I've posted in the past about them committing grand theft and mass murder a couple of times..We have to do something pronto or forget it. We can't sit around and dream about the day of ousting this cabal. Unless the people act NOW, forget it. We've seen too much of their trickery and they know they get away wtih whatever they want. Wake up and act now because at the rate things are going, tomorrow might be too late and we have no one to blame except us, and they're sitting there laughing their asses off at how stupid we are while they're stuffing their pockets. Don't be surprised at another massacre and the continued dictatorship.

It'll either happen sooner or latter, but either way it's coming. This country's got a pantload of bad karma just itching to get spent.

and we can't really depend on any senators and congressmen because all we get from them is lip-service and false promises, tons of it! They're two-faced on top of it all. I'm sick of being LIED to, and sick of what's happening to our country. I don't want to see anyone child being sent to Iraq. My heart aches for Marianne who's stepson is in Iraq. We've seen enough of the other countries hitting the streets..Hate to say this again, but, the other countries are laughing at the people here for allowing this happen. How's that saying go-no guts, no glory. And another favorite of mine--"if it's meant to be, it's up to me"..We have to get off our chairs and off the computer and phones, and do what needs to be done in DC. We know what the righties are capable of, and from what we've been seeing, they're already rolling on the streets, and lying to people all over just to bankroll them without even realizing what's happening.

corruption heavy' or 'pro-war and corruption light' with a "gentler touch". I guess that means Kerry will use confetti bombs on Muslims and Venezuelans and use K-Y first.
We are completely under the thumb of corporate fascists and they have chosen for us.

The oil is a great side benefit for them but you are exactly right.

And voting these thugs out is the way to go.

If we give these bastards half a chance, they'll steal the damn thing, again.

This is all, of course, assuming that Hannity doesn't get his way, and we have to "postpone democracy".

I'm not taking any chances since Florida is the state without the paper trail. I agree that they all sleep in the same bed but at the same time we have to stop the bleeding.

I would ask just whose finger is on the button. Better Kerry than Bush.

they've already stolen it..they're planning on staying there a LONG time..

elections to make them fair?

I feel like I'm in a particularly bizarre nightmare, having to think such things. I always knew there was some cheating in elections but now realize how much corruption there is and likely always has been. Have our votes ever really counted or were elements of this cabal in charge since November 22, 1963? If so, not one vote of mine has ever meant anything. :scared:

The people stood up and took action. As it is at present, the american people are the joke of the world because we've let it happen and did nothing when it did..They're letting us go through the motions of voting because they don't want riots, but, if that's what's needed, we must. The elections have been "pick and choose". 2002-they had their list of governors who they wanted. There were many different discussion groups who said there was NO way that X could have won that election for their state.

...and yet Kerry wants to send more troops to Iraq.

So, if the war is wrong "on every level," and I do so agree, then. . .for whom shall we vote?

bush has only 2 reasons, patriot II and the war. kerry says we will stay and finish the job and you don't know how kerry voted for this bill that you implied was timed to be made into law the day everyone was distracted by saddam's capture? ( oh, and by the way somehow that's not really saddam )



thanks, going to bed with a chuckle.

that if Kerry gets in, we can hold his feet to the fire, and get a Dem congress and Senate//and make the bastards accountable for what they have done..
the Dean factor weighing into the Kerry campaign, and the Kucinich factor, have got to mean something...the push from both of those camps into the Kerry camp have to make some waves.
At least, if Kerry gets in, and god help me Im desperate at this point he gets in, (I didnt agree with all of Clintons policies either), we can beg the world for forgiveness, and clean up the mess. What a mess this administration has made in 4 years..what a horrible horrible mess.
I wont stay here if Bush is in again for any reason. I cannot bear 4 more years of that piece of shit. I watch my husband cry all day and I cant put him thru that again, I wont let my stepson out of my sight when he returns and I will take them all, all of my sons if they choose, out of here. They will not steal one more child from me, not one more.

I was career military, and I was proud to do it.

My two children, however will NOT be joining the military.

And have a nice day .

candidate?

Way to go, people.