9/11 Commission hearings gavel to gavel c-span beg. 9 AM

I plan on having it on all day, and I hope they will broadcast them tomorrow as well.

Both days should be interesting, but tomorrow should be VERY INTERESTING with Clarke to end the day.

I was pretty young at the time of Watergate and didn't pay much attention, but I do remember John Dean dropping a bombshell at the hearings.

I wonder if Clarke's testimony is going to fall into that category this time?

Americans and a Democratic Governor, and a Democratic Congressman who actually led the charge. Scott Ritter, Howard Dean, Paul O'Neill, Kevin Phillips, Dennis Kucinich and now Richard Clarke. The most damning testimony has come from the Republicans which may be obvious because they can't be charged with having an axe to grind.

It is refreshing to know that we have true patriots who love their country over a political party.

Bartcop is right, though. The Dems have pretty much failed us in this endeavour (with some notable exceptions).

The system I am working on doesn't allow me to open more than one screen at a time without it coming from a link.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=

:)

I'm starting to get pissed...Anybody know if anyone is broadcasting the whole thing?

www.kpfa.org

I'm not sure if other Pacifica stations are...

KPFA's Live Broadcast
9-11 Commission Hearings

Pacifica Radio will broadcast live from Capitol Hill the September 11 Commission hearings into Terrorist Attacks on the United States Tuesday and Wednesday, March 23 and 24th. The witness list, just announced, includes Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Madeline Albright, and many other present and former government officials.

For the first time in public, the Commission says it will examine what the Bush administration knew and did leading up to 9/11.

The broadcasts will begin at 5:30 a.m. PST and last until conclusion.

Pacifica's National Affairs Correspondent, Larry Bensky, will anchor the hearings from Capitol Hill.

For more information on the commission and the scheduled hearing agenda: www.9-11commission.gov

All I have. he is asked to wrap up.

just wondering whom it is testifying right now.

since Hurley was asked to wrap up.

n/t

He spends 35 minutes about the Clinton years and after five minutes on Bush, he is told to end it??????????????

Took the oath - starting tstimony

Hostory is lived forward and read backwards. Talkes about Tanzania.

we have a right to display patriotism just like the RWers--only more so, now!

(Madeleine's giant flag brooch, worn on the left shoulder)

go Maddy.

I admire her so much.

I loved her opening remarks. She is so compassionate and you could feel how she handled her job with energy AND compassion.

She went directly to the terrorist site in Africa ---and brought the American bodies home!

Did I hear that right? Did she do what Powell has never tried to do,show absolute compassion for brave Americans who gave their lives for our country.

She is smooth and talks openly and honestly IMO.
The pin is just awesome and is worn with such dignity. She makes me proud again to be an American.


You Go Girl!
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

someone said cspan coverage will end at 10am. however, looking at the various cspan schedules, it may switch over to cspan3. not sure though.


Tuesday, March 23, 2004

9:00 - 9:30 AM
STAFF STATEMENT NO. 5
Diplomacy

9:30 - 11:00 AM
The Honorable Madeleine K. Albright
Former Secretary of State

11:00 - 12:30 PM
The Honorable Colin L. Powell
Secretary of State

12:30 - 1:30 PM
Break

1:30 - 2:00 PM
STAFF STATEMENT NO. 6
The Military

2:00 - 3:30 PM
The Honorable William S. Cohen
Former Secretary of Defense

3:30 - 5:00 PM
The Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld
Secretary of Defense



Wednesday, March 24 2004

8:30 - 9:00 AM
STAFF STATEMENT NO. 7
Intelligence Policy

9:00 - 10:30 AM
The Honorable George J. Tenet
Director of Central Intelligence

10:30 - 11:00 AM
STAFF STATEMENT NO. 8
National Policy Coordination

11:00 - 12:30 PM
The Honorable Samuel R. Berger
Former Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs

12:30 - 1:30 PM
BREAK

1:30 - 4:00 PM
Mr. Richard A. Clarke
Former National Coordinator for Counterterrorism, National Security Council

4:00 - 5:30 PM
The Honorable Richard L. Armitage
Deputy Secretary of State

5:30 PM
Hearing concludes. Press Availability to follow.

The Honorable Samuel R. Berger

... etc

Mr. Richard A. Clarke

...

Interesting.

That's when the House begins its session.

while Madeleine is speaking??!!!

Very Funny Guys! 3000 people dead! Ha Ha!

jackasses...This commission is a ridiculous hoax.

I sure as hell hope so

under oath, particularly Chimpy hisself...

individuals. It's them we need to pursue. If we broaden our scope uneccessary, we endanger our security
Continues saying that AlQuaeda is not a finite number of criminals.

IMO

Comission member holds Clarke's book, mentions attacks back and forth - hopes it will not be partizan - hopes Condi will reconsider and come to testify - applause
Asks Albright about her book account of Tanzania

Roemer just called out Condi Rice!!!

When Condi refuses, it will be like a confession. Go TIM!

He held up Clarke's book and said that grave accusations had been made, and Condi had denied them. Will she defend herself? Not bloody likely...

<snip>
Scheduled to testify Wednesday are CIA director George Tenet; Rice's predecessor, Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger; and a new witness added Tuesday to fill Rice's slot, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. On that day, the panel will review intelligence and national policy coordination.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040323/D81G48D80.html

Back when Reagan's boys were on their crime spree ala Iran Contra, Armitage lied under oath while testifying before congress.

Senator (?) Eagleberger caught him in his lie and said to Armitage something like "that's slammer time, sir."

I have the exchange between the two somewhere. If I find it, I'll add it to this thread.

Armitage is a skunk. A lying stinky skunk.

I never knew that. This is like Iran/Contra 2004.

http://independence.net/irancontra/

Contrary to their testimony to the presidentially appointed Tower Commission and the Select Iran/contra Committees of Congress, Independent Counsel determined that Secretary Weinberger and his closest aides were consistently informed of proposed and actual arms shipments to Iran during 1985 and 1986. The key evidence was handwritten notes of Weinberger, which he deliberately withheld from Congress and the OIC until they were discovered by Independent Counsel in late 1991. The Weinberger daily diary notes and notes of significant White House and other meetings contained highly relevant, contemporaneous information that resolved many questions left unanswered in early investigations.

The notes demonstrated that Weinberger's early testimony -- that he had only vague and generalized information about Iran arms sales in 1985 -- was false, and that he in fact had detailed information on the proposed arms sales and the actual deliveries. The notes also revealed that Gen. Colin Powell, Weinberger's senior military aide, and Richard L. Armitage, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, also had detailed knowledge of the 1985 shipments from Israeli stocks. Armitage and Powell had testified that they did not learn of the November 1985 HAWK missile shipment until 1986.

So Powell's under oath again today...so what?

somebodies dissin Condi
:nopity:

Clinton took after Tanzania? meaning military, diplomatic, intelligence - the whole array

Can you believe this shit?

:wtf:

so that just leaves bush and condi....who have the need to lie or evade the truth.

but I'm sure that feeling will pass.

after seeing kean and hamilton this am on the talk shows, I am convinced it will be a whitewash... :(

Roemer asked Albright. "Yes, we did" What was his reaction?" She believes Powell understood.

With a "M"
With a "A"
With a "D"

With a M a d a l i n e!

You go girl, you're my hero!



:hug: :loveya:

It are the Bushies who used the info gained in Dec. to sit and do nothing. Clinton always gets blamed for a do-nothing approach to the Cole.

show what party affiliation they are. But I'm sure we'll be able to tell which is a republican.

I think he is trying to blame Clinton.

What was the status of intelligence when you took over? (Poppy's?)

"with or without Saddam's knowledge"

for trying to change the focus from their attack on his penis.

What is he talking about?

He said that there were numerous contacts between Iraqi secret Service/intelligence and alQaeda....I've never heard anything about that. Did he just make a jump from the assassination attempt to the Embassy bombings?

...uhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhh (referring to penis impeachment). :eyes:

"it's very nice to see you again"...Yes, the team w/ dignity.

don't mind the line of questioning, but seems to be grandstanding quite a bit.

Thinking that if he's this fiesty against his friends...what he'll be like against Bush's guys...

Albright still didn't back down - plus she keeps bringing up the pre-9/11 mindset...

if he's this nasty now, wait till he gets a hold of Rummy.

Very important point by Albright. It was difficult to get any Congressional support from the Repubs at that time. It was 'wag the dog', etc....

even without evidence or targets. Should I thank God he is no longer a Senator?

Attacked Clinton more that all the pukes in the commission. Thanks buddy. I really wonder what you did in Vietnam now that forced you our of the senate, rat bastard! Kosovo was not a threat - was a humanitarian problem, buit to a war criminal like you that is meaningless! :argh:

bnecause of Kosovo - but because of Bill Cohen - GOP - who was the SOD. kerrey was opposed to Clinton a lot. Good riddance!

the option to go in Afghanistan when DOD refused (that would be Bill Cohen - the guy who fired Wes Clark from NATO)

..the Bush administration dismantle our programs.

this is awful--it is as if they are investigating 9-11 as the fault of Clinton. This is a highly political committee. They are out for Clinton's blood or any one else they think they can blame the tragedy that is Bush, on.

this guy thompson is a major bushbot!

clenis alert!!!!!!!!!!

It seems he wants to blame the Clinton people but I think it's because he's talking to a Clinton person. We'll see if he is the same with the Bush people.

reminding the commission to 'learn lessons' rather than lay blame (i.e., at the feet of Clinton).

I remember these assholes screaming "Wag the Dog". I remember the way the attacked him for those cruise missle strikes.

Lack of military action? GMAB. How much support do you think these scumbags wuold have given President Clinton had he chosen to pursue that option. They would have accused him of starting a war to protect his penis.

Fucking scumbags.

:D

with a clinton official, it'll be focused on him.
she can't talk about what bush did.

now powell on ... so we'll see how tough they get

UNDER OATH!

yeah!

but they'll still LIE their butts off!

She repeatedly stated that they must remember to put themselves in the pre-9/11 state of mind.

Indeed there was widespread outrage when Clinton not only deployed military forces but when he dared set foot on a military base...add in "wag the dog" accusaitons.

Just sworn in under oath!

Jon Stewart pointed out that Powell turns into Miss Thing lately when asked questions ("don't go there, talk to the hand..."). He's now known as Secretary of Thang in my house.

was just sworn in. I feel a little bit better.

at feet of al Qaeda (before Clinton left office.) Good job, Madeline. We shouldn't go off half cocked on these serious matters. It WAS up to Bush to take action when HE had the evidence.

babied...

He's admitting to being briefed on terrorism by none other than Richard Clarke!

I guess that lends our dear Mr Clark some credibility, eh?

Albright and others for them during the transition.

that picture!!! :)

Don't forget it.

Powell is just another whore, no more and no less.

He is beginning with a statement covering his own ass, telling how much he was doing. The point is that the fuggin' chimp was the one doing absolutly nothing.

by the previous administration.

Did I hear that correctly?

refute that little gem?

Presidents Gore and Clinton testify? Does anyone know?

this week with unlimited questioning period.

Why are they just letting him read some prepared babble speech?

TWL

that is exactly what I was thinking.
He isn't saying ANYTHING really

We knew the threat, the president wrote to Musharaf, we had to eliminate them not just fire and miss, didn't get a specific plan from previous administration, blah blah blah...

I want somebody to ask about ALL of the administration's dealings with the Taliban.

I want somebody to ask whether the FBI was asked to halt their oversight of Saudis in the US suspected of being terrorists.

I want somebody to ask what they did with the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report before 9/11, if anything.

I don't remember when I heard someone blab so much and say basically nothing new. Even when asked to speed up he took 15 more minutes to wrap up. I am now doubtful about this hearing getting anywhere. No important questions even asked yet! :boring: :boring:

and to see and hear what he has become is saddening. I now listen to him with the same lack of respect and know that he no longer, if he ever did, knows how to tell the truth, he has no moral compass.

:smoke:

considering Shrub had only recently been briefed on exactly who Musharraf was.

What military coup?

Shrub didn't write that letter. "...Pakistan is a country with which we hope to..." -- that's much too grammatically correct to be the writing of a chimp. The "concerns" about the Taliban was probably more about getting their pipeline through Afghanistan than about Al Qaeda.

Actually, they let him try the first draft of the letter, but because it began by asking Musharaf if he wanted to be penpals, they turned the job over to Condi...

Our policy was an abysmal failure

This is unbelievable. He's sending up a snowstorm of bullshit, making inaction sound like action. For example, he listed a number of key players they incoming madministration "retained"... as though ignoring people in roles not considered immediately profitable for global corporatists was some kind of "action." The truth is they didn't give a shit. It was back-burnered in favor of "going for the gold." Even treating Graham-Rudman as toilet paper and superficially re-intiatating a whole new study was obfuscatory bullshit -- a delay while their energy and petrochemical buddies were splitting up the contents of the federal cookie jar.

kean urging bowel to wrap it up.

eliminate not roll back

Focused form early on

The PRESIDENT was very focused.

"fuck saddam, we're taking him out!" :grr:

We are DEAD for sure in the Muslim world. Those that weren't believing the extremist Muslim line about everything being a crusade now have the administration's words AGAIN that this is a crusade.

I fear for the world.

So he's to blame for our failure to prevent 9/11.

Am I getting this right? Powell keeps on harping on this absence of a viable operation plan...

What bullshit.

does bowel think that the longer he blabs now, the fewer questions he'll have to answer. ... hoping for the bell that ends class and he can run away .......

You peons wouldn't understand. This is hard stuff. Is he serious? you are right. He is making it sound like they were actually doing anything.

Why did we invade Iraq?

TWL

top save the lives of Americans aorund the world."

expect to see that one played over and over.

Hey, asshat.... if the strategy called for more then just launcing cruise missles....why didn't you avenge the attack on the USS Cole???

run the clock out! It's as if they're allowing him to run the show..read the notes, end it, then he's out of there!

What a fucking sick joke.

And can I be the first to say, SHUT UP ALREADY and answer some questions.

TWL

It took us 8 months but it was a good plan and we made everyone aware of what we were going to do......

Powell Powell Powell why are you lying for them again?

Including the many lengthy vacations in August that prevented them from even having a meeting about counterterrorism strategy??

uh I thought they were ready and FOCUSED the whole time....or should have been

This sounds like a dollar late and a dollar short to many people I would suppose.

Oh good he's finished now. Thank God.

let me say...."and he goes on for 15/20....25? more minutes! and is still talking!!! WTF

I wish somebody would sound a gong.

yeah that's why the August 6 memo was titled

BIN LADEN TO STRIKE IN US

I think he is trying to run out the clock so to not to have to lie too many times...

Cut him off already! (Where's Billy Crystal when you need him! ;-)

WTF kinda spin is this bullshit.

Oh and once again, shut up already.

TWL

or was he working on the plan that came together on 9/4 and wasthere any calls to do something NOW in the mean time.



Armitrage:Clarke was impatient and pushing the process quite well.

So Clarke was very important in creating counter-terrorism ideas, or we can go back to yesterday where the admin called hima disgruntled unqualified baby.

TWL

:bounce:

Unbelievable!!!!

is he wearing an inflatible suit or what?

This guy is clearly not really looking to get to the bottom of 9-11.

So what about the FBI memos? What about the Hart-Rudman report? What about warnings in daily briefings? What about warnings from other countries? They met and discussed all that, and what did they do???

more interested in attacking Clarke, and passing blame around than they are in truly investigating what happened? This is bullshit.

We all deserve more than this partisan dog and pony show.

bushbot thompson asking bowell to talk about terrorism starting in 1991?

i.e., feel free to babble until your time is up.

This plays into what Clarke said about them being transfixed on old Cold War issues and strategies.

about 1991, whether more principal's meetings in 1991 would have prevented 9/11.

Arghh _ I'm at work. What's going on?

"We had no NEW plan". Doesn't that back up Clarke when he said his plan was thrown back as "wrong answer" do again! The only NEW plan that was acceptable to them was one that was a plan to go after Saddam and Iraq.

Didn't Powell say that they didn't get a plan from the Clinton administration to beginn with? Or am I mistaken.

So, according to Powell, they started with zero and just left it at that?

had no NEW plan, if I heard correctly.

and show tabloid shots of Bin Laden, Clinton and Saddam at a nude beach.

I guess Paul O'Neil, who stated Bush in the very first security meeting wanted Palistine and Israel to fight it out amoung themselves and not get in the middle,was also, along with Clarke, hallucinating.

and Palestine? chimp did NOTHING!

hARD FOR DIALUP FOLKS.

:thumbsup:

or what... sheesh! :grr:

I wonder if Thompson could lick Powell's ass a little more??

Where is that?

I really thought this 911 Independent Commission was truly independent and trying to get the FACTS. But after watching C-SPAN this morning I know it is not so we will never get the truth.

So he mentioned Afghanistan and the Taliban. Never mentioned Iraq, so why did we invade Iraq? Why didn't anyone ask that?

TWL

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