9/11 Commission Hearing on NOW (1:30 pm) C-Span 3:

Just beginning afternoon session. Zelikow reading more of the Staff's statement now re Sandy Berger.

Thanks :)

efforts to continue to strike Al Caeda to destroy the infrastructure.

was in the White House during 9/11. The widows want him out due to big time conflict of interest.

On edit, he is on the 9/11 Commission, head of deciding what gets seen from the White House by the Commission. Fun, eh!

'Whitewash': 9/11 Commission Rocked by Bizarre Revelations That Commission Officials Gave Evidence to Own Inquiry

www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0115-11.htm

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Philip Zelikow, the commission's executive director, worked on the Bush-Cheney transition team as the new administration took power, advising his longtime associate and former boss, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, on the structure of the incoming National Security Council.
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The 9-11 Family Steering Committee and 9-11 Citizens Watch, two separate groups, are demanding the resignation of Philip Zelikow, executive director of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, after information surfaced over the weekend that he participated in Bush administration briefings prior to Sept. 11 on the threat al Qaeda posed to the country.


"We believe that the very integrity of the commission is at stake here, and that he should resign immediately," Kyle Hence, co-founder of Citizens Watch, said Monday.


On Saturday, the Family Steering Committee wrote a letter to the commission arguing that Zelikow has a conflict of interest because he could potentially be held culpable for failing to heed warnings about al Qaeda prior to Sept. 11.


"It is clear that should never have been permitted to be a member of the commission, since it is the mandate of the commission to identify the source of failures," the committee wrote. "It is now apparent why there has been so little effort to assign individual culpability. We now can see that trail would lead directly to the staff director himself."
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http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0304/032204c1.htm

his efforts to strike with cruise missiles. Why in the hell don't they get to Bush's admin and what he did before 9/11?

Highlights the specific words he wants us all to remember. Ah, concern here, thoughtful questioning there. What a sham this guy is.

it sounds like his voice is being played back at a slightly slower speed

reminds me of Will Ferrell doing Janet Reno

sure is a huge contrast to what chimpy did which was ZERO!! Think the murkins will notice?

Doesn't want to discuss Clinton's successes, of course.

Is there any way the citizens of the US will be able to read this for themselves?

Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld felt the Cole prob. was stale and wouldn't do anything about now. They offered no solutions.

and dealing with Russia over nuclear arms treaty

satisfactory and they would need more plans. I thought they doing so very much before and after 9/11.

If people are trying to give him all the blame, maybe HE'S the one who should be testifying.

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would not have supported any large scale military operations BEFORE 9/ll happened, and that's why they also did nothing about the Cole!

problem and that Clinton was willing to spend money to support fighting it.

things go wrong. Calls Congress on refusing to fund terrorism stating that Congress said Admin. was speaking hyperbole to boost their funding.

that's the first I've heard of that.

but he's a repug. I don't know whether I can watch.

That other guy just wasn't happenin' for me.

(a Republican)

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/admin/cohen.htm

President Clinton fulfilled his wish for a bipartisan Cabinet by appointing Republican William S. Cohen to head the Pentagon. The former senator from Maine is anything but a yes-man. In Congress, he demonstrated an independent streak, criticizing some of the administration's defense policies, including the presence of U.S. troops in Bosnia. But he also criticized pet GOP defense projects, including the B-2 stealth bomber. As secretary, Cohen's most critical challenges include reconfiguring the post-Cold War military and responding to the sexual harassment and assault charges that have plagued the armed services.


Sworn in: Jan. 24, 1997 (nominated Dec. 5, 1996, confirmed Jan. 22, 1997)

Succeeded: William J. Perry

Previous occupation: U.S. senator from Maine 1979-97; U.S. representative (R-Maine-2) 1973-79; member, Senate Armed Services Committee, Governmental Affairs Committee, 1979-97; member, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 1983-91 and 1995-97, vice chairman, 1987-91; board of directors, Council on Foreign Relations from 1989-97, chairman, Middle East Study Group, 1996; author; mayor, Bangor, Maine, 1971-72; Bangor City Council, 1969-72; instructor, University of Maine, 1968-72, Husson College, 1968; assistant Penobscot County (Maine) attorney, 1968; attorney, 1966-72.

Education: Bowdoin College, 1962 (B.A. in Latin), and Boston University Law School, 1965 (L.L.B. cum laude).

Hometown: Bangor, Maine

Date of Birth: Aug. 28, 1940
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saying he drafted legislation while a senator to combat terrorism, but was eschewed by the Pentagon. Interesting...

I zoned out for a min. Hard to believe with his dulcet tones.

It's like the commission is going only as far back as Clinton. What, there was no terrorism before Clinton?

Not sure if anyone announced it, but www.kpfa.org is streaming the hearings for 2 days.

for combating terrorism during Clinton's admin. Says they cut tens of millions from Nunn-Luger...

Christopher?

Repugs than any Dem. president I'm aware of. I was P.O.ed over his pug appointments.

Oops, I was wrong.

Sworn in: Jan. 24, 1997 (nominated Dec. 5, 1996, confirmed Jan. 22, 1997)

Succeeded: William J. Perry


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secretary of state, I believe

He later died...

terrorism.

There's something else on C-Span and the shrub is everywhere else?

but also have it on CSPAN3

When I went out this morning it was on C-Span1. I have terrible sound on C-Span3 always for some reason.

deliberately doing this now so they interrupt the hearings?

Has he no shame. He is nowhere ever and now he has something to say.

Watching Richard Clarke on Charlie Rose (captions) :"Bushco hardly waits for me to endorse John kerry - so they cansay this was all part of a partisan thing."

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leader, hitting on his 'goals' for the future in a pretend cabinet meeting. This is total bullshit!! contact CNN and let them know we knew what they and bush are doing.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

That settles my troubles. :)

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I can't believe CNN keeps cutting away!! I don't get CSpan 3 and when I called CSpan, I was told they *have* to cover the House and Senate because it's in their "mission statement."

This is SO infuriating!! The most important event in years and the media isn't showing it -- yet THREE networks showed the Chimp's speech the other day. Unbelievable.

This is the guy who was helping the Contras, had Wes Clark replaced at NATO and made the sliming shorus with Shelton.
Interesting how all stations - CNN, MSNBC are covring W WHICH IS NOT EVEN LIVE!!!!

on NPR since I don't get CSPAN 3.

to be patting themselves on the backs about no terrorist attacks in the past 2 years on US soil. He said a mouthful there.

Still expect him to backstab Clinton now.

Cohen said it right up front: Jerusalem is THE PROBLEM....and we must discuss Israel up front and honestly...and stop the deceit coming out of bush* and sharon.....

glad he said it.

The few minutes I could actually hear him. I'm kind of surprised.

UBL, but it was not substantive enough info. Very interesting.

saying the pharmaceutical bombings was not a wag the dog scenario. "The president never used the military to serve a political purpose. ...I would never allow the military to be used for a political purpose...That accusation emerged again when we decided to attack Saddam Hussein...I got a call the day taht operation was launched. I got a call from Speaker Gingrich...tehre was a rage in the House..this clearly had to be politically inspired. ...I went to the well of the House and testified for three hours that the President never sought to use his power for political purposes".

Amazing.

Edit: Sorry about typos and ellipses. I was typing what I could get.

militarily on Bin Laden but all intelligence said they didn't think they had enough--one time they considered shooting down an airplane that they thought Bin Laden was on.

just brought up the accusations against Clinton ala "Wag the Dog" and saying that Clinton never never used the military to mask personal difficulties.

and about the poisonous tone at the time and how Clinton was criticized for his attacks against the camps

no wag the dog, Gingrich accusations

The charges of "Wag the Dog" are false.

Did you hear that? He just mentioned the wag the dog accusations lobbed by the repukes. He said he wouldn't have been a part of anything like that.

for what they did to Clinton

I couldn't quite hear (streaming at work)--didn't Cohen specifically call Newt Gingrinch's name out when he was condemning the "Wag the Dog" bullshit aimed at Pres. Clinton?

If so, sweet.

the REPUKE congress is to blame!!!

time did Clinton try to wag the dog to avoid impeachment proceedings after the Desert Fox attacks on Saddam Hussein.

I'm so glad he got that in. The hypocrisy of the people who were outraged at Clinton's judicious use of the military yet cheer for Bush's irresponsible war.

as he did Albright.

This guy is such a putz.

He's asking questions that have already been answered: why wasn't the military used earlier, more, etc.? Complete with dramatic "but they were SO BAD"'s just for emphasis.

and is now showing his criminal nature.

he is nothing but a lackey, he is one demensional and it just goes to show what a fucking idiot Daschle was for appointing him after Cleland resigned.

I just don't gt him. Is this supposed to be a show of his "independence"?

Shame on Daschle, shame on kerrey - Zell Miller must be jealous! :-(

Chief of Jnt. Chiefs. Zinni was made to retire after he said that we would need 200,000 troops in Iraq.

Kerrey is a fucking jackass!!!!! What the fuck is he trying to do. Has he been promised something? He is a fucking PNAC

he is making no fucking sense! Someone shut his trap PLEASE!!

CLinton OR Bush.

Kerrey is openly arguing with him.

Cohen:Not one country would have been with us to attack Afghanistan without 9/11.

Why didn't Powell, Condi, Rummy keep investigating?

the fucking roof. Kerrey is nothing but a traitor pure and simple. I hope when Clinton testifies that he eats Kerrey for lunch. Egotistical self centered bullshit son of a bitch.

he thinks NATO, Congress, the American ppl would have supported invading Afghanistan before 9-11

making a statement posing as a question. He's just repeating what he said to Powell! WTF? "I do't understand why the military wasn't given a priority in the fight against UBL...I don't understand why the military wasn't given a dominant role and I wonder if you think the military was under-utilized (gawd what a phraseology) in the fight against militant Islam."

Cohen: Fatwa was against me too. Could have put massive force in Afghanistan against the support of Pakistan and the neighboring countries. General Zinni...commander of CENTCOM...made a number of reccomendations...helped (in dealings with Musharaff) to stop millenial attacks. ...They weren't "risk averse"...we had lethal authority. Sandy Berger said we werent sendig a legal summons to him, we were trying to kill bin Laden....there was never a recommendation that came that said let's take military action and let's to it. Do you think it's reasonable, Sen. Kerrey, ...for Pres. Clinton to come to congress and say we want to go do this. (Chatter) In Kosovo, everyone was saying it's a bad idea and we had to endure without the support of congress. And Pres. Clinton, and Pres. Bush could not have gone to congress to make this request. Clinton had the allies, NATO, but I dare say there is not a single country that would have allowed him to go to war with Afghanistan and congress would not have allowed it either.

(The "Democratic" idol of the neocons.)

Some folks don't know that there were two.

Cohen brought out that Kerrey was adamantly against Kosovo but the President(Clinton) was able to persuade the American people that it was the right thing to do and as a consequence saved over a million lives. Kerrey is throwing a temper tantrum cause he didn't get his way re Kosovo and he is going to make every Clinton witness pay.

Cohen is doing a great job for Clinton.

Instead, he just seems arrogant.

"What was the military objective on August 20, 1998?"

"Did you consider putting a special ops team there rather than relying on sattelite?" (wow he talks fast. both do. In fact, he talks like a character from a 40s film, like someone who plays the rough)

eom

Albright said, that they didn't have absolute proof that it was Bin Laden.

"Do you think Bushco should have started his adminisration with a war?"

talking about how we could have gotten Bin Laden, but we were over- ruled by the higher ups

Was Tenet telling them a different story?

They had evidence that they were going to be used to manufacture Chemical Weapons and that it was built under heavy security

trying to pin the blame on the Clinton admin.

but by the sharing of information and good police work.

"a big aside" .... well as Clarke says, there are terrorists there NOW

remarks about Israel being the root of the problem are poignant....

Cohen has continuously explained in great detail, why the bush* all-war-all-the-time-and-everywhere approach is NOT the right approach to terrorism...and we cannot overcome terrorism unless we realize that Israel IS THE PROBLEM...."We must engage the Israel problem RIGHT NOW and not wait until after the November elections."

Cohen is a brave testifier....a real NATIONAL HERO to stand up to bush* and his minions....

All the rest are nazis - starting with Bob Kerrey!

asking what we can do to educate the madrasses; Cohen says we need very agressive diplomatic actions...Arab world looks through two lenses--how we treat tthe Iraqis and how we handle the middle Eastern conflict.

We must stand up to human rights, not by using clubs; give people a sense of hope, economic, educational... We must be engaged...

when he left. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz up next! Is that Gen. Myers there also?

Rummy

yicky

look at Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.

with interruptions. Like Bush addressing his cabinet. (That couldn't have waited?)

speaking now. Whoooeeeee

Gloating over the Spain attacks.

Double Evil!

rummy's will be LONG!

Time to start a new thread, perhaps?


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