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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:04 AM
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New Dean Convert....
I just finally made my decision, for better or worse,after watching the Larry King rebroadcast.

But I hope he picks Edwards, Graham, Clark, or Breaux for VP and adopts a Southern strategy. We need some Southern states, and while he shares some of the same concerns as people here, he doesn't totally understand the culture. Fortunately, he seemed to concede that. He will need someone who can appeal to and turn out black, white, and Indian voters. His supporters seem to be pretty middle class and white at the moment.
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Lauren2882 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:10 AM
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1. I'm with ya ... I think
While I'd still say that I'm officially undecided as to who I'll be supporting in the Primary, the interview with Dean on Larry King Live has definitely made me lean much more strongly in his direction.

I agree with you about the importance of attracting Southern voters ... I'm not from the South but I think it's pretty evident that they aren't going to be naturally inclined to support a guy from a small New England state known for ski resorts, Ben & Jerry's, and gay unions.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:13 AM
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3. And balanced budget, and Dean is against this bogus attack
Iraq that is killing our Soldiers and the Iraqis and literally draining our economy.
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msanger Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:37 AM
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21. but they might support states rights
especially when it comes to guns. And if the ecomony doesn't pick up big time, the idea of national health care for ALL children sure will sounds good to a lot of folks.

read what dean says on the issues -- he is very NOT TOO EXTREME
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:11 AM
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2. Sweet! I've just been reading comments on other threads re:
Dean's appearance on LK.. I haven't seen it yet, but I will!

I've been for him since late last year and only feel greatly encouraged by all of his momentum! It's such a long scary road that we've been down before only this time we have Dean!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:16 AM
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4. He was impressive. I lliked what he had to say and he didnt bash the
other candidates...like they are him, instead he was
conciliatory.

He's A OK.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:25 AM
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5. Still an uncommitted (and somewhat bitter) former Gore supporter ........
I REALLY liked Dean tonight .....

He is reasonable as he is visionary ....

Not against national security (WHO can be against that ???) .. but STRONGLY against Bush's phony excuses for war .....

Honesty is a big thing ..... Dean has that ....

I was duly impressed: ... he is different than the others ....
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:29 AM
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6. I’m not off the fence yet…
But Dean has really impressed me so far. I think that the other candidates haven’t even figured out how he has already snaked them by assuming the mantle. All that they have done is solidified Dean’s position as the front runner by their attacks on him.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:34 AM
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7. Breaux???????? No offense dude......but......have you seen his record?
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 12:35 AM by DagmarK
OMG!!

He isn't even a DINO he's so republican...... He's one of the 3 in the senate who has assured the republican agenda. he votes right down the line with bush.......

eeek

**and call me ignorant if you must.....but do native americans vote? Aren't they sovereign nations???? As in ...NOT of the USA? Educate me.
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:37 AM
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8. I don't mind moderate Dems
but I'm very uneasy with a pro-life Democrat.
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:40 AM
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10. Well, he said Indian, so I assume he means
people from India, not native americans. Though I'm not really sure about native americans living on reservations being able to vote.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:52 AM
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16. yes, native americans on reservations can vote
even though reservations can get around a few state and federal laws (such as ones on gambling) they certainly aren't sovereign nations.
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:01 AM
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18. I meant Indian as in American Indians, like me...
but you knew that. You were just being facetiously politically correct, not knowing that I was one.
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:13 AM
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20. Education....
First things first...

Yes, American Indians can vote. I vote. Many Southerners are of native American descent, like me. I am cherokee, but I have no family living on a reservation.

John Breaux is a good pick for VP because he is respected. Most people in South don't know who Graham or Edwards are. They vaguely know who Zell Miller is outside of Georgia, but his ultra-conservative image is a turnoff, if not only to me, to Southern black voters. Breaux has an image as a moderate who can definitely carry his home state and increase turnout in others, simply because he is a Cajun and is culturally relevant to people in the South. Clark could carry Arkansas. Breaux could carry several.
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Phatfish Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:39 AM
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9. I was about to post the same thing!
I listened to the Dean interview (Thanks WONK for the GFP server space) and I was super impressed. I am not a full backer yet. I am keeping my options open but I liked what he said. Balanced budget, healthcare for all, in favor of states rights (but only after following federal laws),etc. Shrub talked about bringing common sense back to the white house but he must of dropped it somewhere in Vermont 3 years back. Dean is up near the top of my list now. Good job, Howard.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:44 AM
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12. Thank bpilgrim for the server space and bandwidth (thanks again bpilgrim!)
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 12:52 AM by Wonk
You're welcome for the capturing, editing, converting to mp3, and uploading :-)

on edit: Here's the link to the mp3 again, for anyone who missed it. 5 M

And, for anyone who's curious, I don't get paid dime one for this. I do it because I care :-)
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Phatfish Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:08 AM
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19. the last week or so
I have put reruns of NOW w/ Bill Moyers on before I go to sleep. I usually have it goin on for about 20 mins before I fall asleep and every night I have had great dreams and felt wonderful each and every morning.
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:41 AM
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11. Dean has said that he will not give up the south without a fight.
He says that he will say to southern voters with confederate flag decals on their cars "Vote for me, because you need healthcare just like everyone else."
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xequals Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:49 AM
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13. an anti-war Dem will never get the South
even if he was from the South. I fear that the South is even to the right of Bush on foreign policy/national security. That is hardcore, flag-waving, goose-stepping Freeperville, USA.

Dems will have a very hard time with the South this election, no matter who we run.
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Phatfish Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:53 AM
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17. all you need
is Florida and it basically evens out the entire south sans Texas
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:44 AM
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22. Try not to generalize...*EVERY* state is in play
As long as elections are fair and not rigged (i.e. unverifiable PC Voting). Dean or another Democrat has a shot.

I'm from the Deep South. Dean is my guy. And if he doesn't get the nod, I'll go with the Democratic nominee. My people back home will do the same. The question is, who can get apathetic or disinterested voters to the polls? That is who the winner will be, IMHO.

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Phatfish Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:55 AM
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23. as long as
the president is elected by electoral college, then the election it is a geranlized power play. It may not be the right way to run but it is the smart way if he wants to win a CLOSE election. I like that he is trying to stir up Texas, which used to be as solid a democratic state as New York or California. However, given that he has only a limited number of days and limited amount of money, he need needs to focus on large swing states that will get him in office. I think the death of the electoral college system will be the best thing to happen to elections since the butterfly ballot (a little joke there :) ) It needs to go, really. Spend some time with the small "red" states to show you really do care but focus on the ones that will get you in office.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:08 AM
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24. Who says the election is going to be close? The polls?
If you believe them, then Bush & Co. have already won.

How many people do you know that would actually pull the lever for the pResident? How many do you know that will not vote for him ever/again? That may be a better measure of the mood of people than some sample of people who actually answered the phone and chose to participate in a survey.


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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:50 AM
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14. This might help......
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DeanMachine Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:52 AM
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15. Welcome, all you johnny-come-latelys
I was supporting months before he made the covers of two newsweeklies, which is probably how you found out about him. Get on the Dean train, it's leaving the station. The destination? Nothing less than the motherfuckin' WHITE HIZZOUSE!
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