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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:13 AM
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Kerry should take the "Biblical" challenge....
The Repubs have criticized John Kerry for quoting a scripture out of hte Bible. Yes, indeed! They really did. :) Kerry should repeat the scripture for the press and challenge the Repubs for their interpretation. What will be their response? Will they say that religion should not be a part of political discourse? Tell that their fundamentalist supporters. This is a road that the Repubs do not want to go down but since they have already started, I think we can push them for a further explanation.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:20 AM
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1. What did they say about him quoting.
I seem to have missed this bit of silliness. I'm sure it something similar to one individual I used to debate with who told me Liberals weren't allwoed to quote the Founding Fathers because they weren't Liberals and only Conservatives really knew what the FF's meant.
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:28 AM
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2. Here ya go
Bush Campaign Blasts Kerry's Bible Quote

ST. LOUIS - John Kerry (news - web sites) cited a Bible verse Sunday to criticize leaders who have "faith but has no deeds," prompting President Bush (news - web sites)'s spokesman to accuse Kerry of exploiting Scripture for a political attack.

Kerry never mentioned Bush by name during his speech at New North Side Baptist Church, but aimed his criticism at "our present national leadership." Kerry cited Scripture in his appeal for the worshippers, including James 2:14, "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?"

"The Scriptures say, what does it profit, my brother, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?" Kerry said. "When we look at what is happening in America today, where are the works of compassion?"

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Kerry's comment "was beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse and a sad exploitation of Scripture for a political attack."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040329/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_21

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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:31 AM
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3. Thanks much!
My boss is out today, and this will be good for a laugh when I argue with the conservatives in my lab.
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Nanski Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:41 AM
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4. But making jokes
about weapons of mass destruction while our troops are dying in Iraq are within the bounds of acceptable discourse. I hate these guys!
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:05 AM
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5. Perhaps God talked to Bush again and told him Kerry shouldn't quote
The Bible
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:19 AM
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9. HA!
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:10 AM
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6. ne of the main reasons I'm afraid of Bush is because of his use of religio
as a tool. That the Pubs would think a person should not quote scripture: Here is one for them
"Before you get the mote out of your neighbors eye, get the beam out of yours".

Bush uses religion too much. Period.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:14 AM
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8. and i'm not at al thrilled that Kerry is doing it either.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:46 AM
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11. Bush uses religion as a weapon, not a tool
A weapon to bludgeon critics into silence--just like his buddies in the Middle East, bin Laden and company!
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:10 AM
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7. It's a Re-hash of the Usual rethuglican Attitude.
"It's O.K. for us to use faith, but not for Democrats to do so."

Remember how all of the right wing rethuglicans had a fit when Lieberman talked so much about God in 2000?

Ever since reagan, they've believed that God is a rethuglican!
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Finch Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:36 AM
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10. F***ing hypocrts!!!!
This really really pisses me off... hell Bush uses the bible all the time, Gov Huckabee (R-AR) basically said that God is backing Bush and then that scum sucker Robertson says God "told him" he was backing Bush(then again god "told" dear old pat that he was going to swamp Disneyland Florida for allowing a gay wedding interesting the typhoon never arrived, I bet gods just bidding his time, quite frankly f*** Robertson and his crew), then Ashcroft goes on about how Bush winning in 2000 was the work of God when you have dimwits like this saying their backed by god you have your explanation for why politics is getting so divisive, how can you debate against something when a guy turns round and says’ “well god supports this, so your against god and so therefore you are evil!” how are you meant to have a reasonable debate in the face of that!


... good on Kerry for using the bible in this way... the bible if viewed properly is one of the most radical works ever compiled, many progressive ideals such as government’s duty to the poor and the under privileged as well as a commitment to allow every one equal opportunities and supporting those in need can be traced to the "sermon on the mount"... but this GOP hypocrisy really really gets me angry! … if they think God is their soul property then they have another thing coming! And Kerry didn’t even mention Bush (it would have be wrong to have done so in a religious ceremony as the Dem nominee) in what he said and many GOP’ers as I have said quite often mention how god backs BUSH and BUSH is on god’s side and that the DEMOCRATS are not on gods side…. Errrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! It makes me mad… where’s Howard Dean when you need him!
:mad: :nuke: :mad: :mad: :nuke:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 08:51 AM
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12. No fair! No fair! We OWN the Bible!!!!!!!!!
That what the W mouthpieces are basically saying. Tough t*ts no one has the exclusive rights to the Bible a**head.

Yeah he should take it right to them and battle them on that front too.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 09:28 AM
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13. This is made for The Daily Show
If you're a writer for that show you couldn't ask for better material. Hopefully, they'll do something with this for tonight's show.
:)
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 09:41 AM
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14. Kerry is "Bible" baiting Bush...
and they are quite annoyed! He is playing to the Catholics and pointing out a wedge issue over which they differ from the fundamentalists.

Salvation through good works versus salvation through acceptance of Jesus Christ is a fundamental difference between evangelical Protestants and Catholics. How is Bush going to argue against this? He can't. Does he take up the theological challenge and argue this point? If he does, he looks like he is rejecting "good deeds" that moderate people admire. If he doesn't he risks angering his base!

Brilliant move by Kerry! Kerry should keep quoting the Bible and not let Bush own the book.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 09:43 AM
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15. those living in hte bible belt
i really want to take our religion back

i am facing the fundies, when did i become your enemy? republicans have hijacked christianity. these two comments stops people, immediately. again it is i have the power, cause i have truth, cause they are walking in impurity to this. not a lot has to be said, and dont have to be mad, can totally be in love. but i think this is the greatest opportunity for us to put the fundies (genie) back in the bottle. we have had to do it in the past in history with segregation, womans rights kkk nazi party..........

it is a cycle.

and if need be, kerry being the clever guy, should say, a religious debate, i am game. lets see if you own christianity. (and this said in jest, i dont really suggest this for kerry)
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