Condi claims that no National Security Advisor has ever testified,

but the Commissioners had several examples of how that is not the case.

Now, why hasn't anyone asked Condi to distinguish her situation from the others? What difference does she claim?

Because they are our lazy whore press who tremble with fear at our own elected representitives.

...BUSHIT!:grr: :mad: :nuke:

the others were not testifying about national security issues. carter's was testifying about his billy carter, i think and clinton's was... well we all know the only thing anyone testified about during that time...

Is all over her. How long can she hold out?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

Since this is the Bush answer to everything, why doesn't it apply to Condi?

She's a liar.

for the National Security Advisor to testify, is the justification that came out of Colin Powell's mouth.

my retort is: the events of 9/11/2001 were UNPRECEDENTED. I believe Chimpy even stated this in one or more of his inane speeches.

So if 9/11/2001 is an unprecedented event in American History, (one that qualifies the US to act unilaterally, among other justifications), shouldn't the precedent of the National Security Advisor's NOT testifying also be changed in the interests of national security?

just wondering

Henry Freaking Kissinger testified before the Senate in 1975. He held the dual role of Sec of State and Nat'l Security Adviser then.

<snip> from a good article about Chile and Allende:

Henry Kissinger and the United States were more deeply involved than was previously thought in a 1970 plot to prevent a left-wing politician from becoming the president of Chile, CBS television news reported Sunday. The program "60 Minutes" quotes an independent researcher as saying the CIA sent a cable to its office in Chile instructing agents there to continue fomenting a military takeover. The cable came following a conversation with Kissinger, who at the time was President Nixon's national security adviser and later became secretary of state. According to researcher Peter Kornbluh, the order also came a day after Kissinger has said he cut off any attempt to undermine Chile's democratic government.

The plot did not prevent the Marxist Salvador Allende, who had won a September 1970 presidential election, from taking office the next month. But the right-wing plotters killed Chilean Gen. Rene Schneider, described as an opponent of the Chilean military's involvement in politics. Three years later, Allende committed suicide while his palace was being bombed by the Chilean military, and Gen. Augusto Pinochet took over as the country's military dictator.

Kissinger declined to appear on the "60 Minutes" program, CBS said. Kissinger's office late Sunday returned a message from The Associated Press but was unable to reach him immediately for comment. However, the program aired Kissinger's testimony during a 1975 Senate investigation saying he ordered all contacts with the coup plotters to be cut off on Oct. 15, 1970. Kornbluh told the program: "The very next day, the CIA sent a cable to the station in the Chilean capital of Santiago, based on its conversation with Kissinger, which is referred to in the very first line. This cable was absolutely explicit: It is the continuing policy of the U.S. government to foment a coup in Chile." Kornbluh is a senior analyst at the National Security Archive, an independent research institute which works at getting secret U.S. documents declassified, according to CBS.

The 1975 Senate investigation had already determined Nixon had wanted to incite a military takeover, but Kissinger's testimony indicated the United States had stopped any such attempt before Schneider's slaying. Kornbluh also said newly revealed documents show that the U.S. intelligence community believed a coup could not be carried out in Chile in 1970.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/general/2001/0909cbskiss.htm

Iran Contra?

I had a Bud McFarlane flashback!

I had to refresh my memory on Bud McFarlane. It didn't take long...

<snip>
Robert C. "Bud" McFarlane was President Reagan's national security adviser from October 1983 to December 1985. He briefed the President daily about world events and conferred regularly with Vice President Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger and CIA Director William J. Casey, who were the principal members of President Reagan's National Security Council.

Prior to becoming national security adviser, McFarlane had been deputy to his predecessor William Clark; counselor to Alexander M. Haig, Jr., when he was secretary of state; a member of the staff of the Senate Armed Services Committee; and military aide to Henry Kissinger when he was national security adviser to President Nixon. An Annapolis graduate, he commanded the first U.S. Marine battery to land in the Republic of South Vietnam. He completed two tours, each characterized by the heavy fighting in I-Corps just south of the demilitarized zone that separated North and South Vietnam. He received a Bronze Star for valor and other individual and unit decorations. He resigned from the U.S. Marine Corps as a lieutenant colonel.

<snip>

In 1985, McFarlane and Casey were the chief advocates of weapons sales to Iran in exchange for the release of American hostages held by pro-Iranian terrorists in Beirut; again, McFarlane turned to North to help implement, in utmost secrecy, the arms-for-hostages deals. Although McFarlane resigned as national security adviser in December 1985, he stayed in contact with his former deputy and successor, Navy Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, and with North. He remained involved in the Iran weapons sales, acting as President Reagan's emissary on a mission to Tehran in May 1986. In November 1986, McFarlane helped Poindexter and North conceal details of the Iran initiative, just as they had done when the operation was underway.

Beginning in December 1986 after the public exposure of Iran/contra, McFarlane voluntarily provided information to Congress, to President Reagan's Tower Commission and to Independent Counsel. Because McFarlane was only partially truthful, it was difficult for investigators to determine on which matters he could be believed. Further complicating the matter was the fact that McFarlane's testimony was, in some crucial respects, at odds with that of other senior Reagan Administration officials. McFarlane, for example, stood alone in insisting that President Reagan had approved the earliest 1985 sales of U.S. arms to Iran by Israel and had agreed to replenish Israeli weapons stocks. It was only after contemporary notes recording the events in question were discovered late in Independent Counsel's investigation that much of what McFarlane said could be verified. His desire to keep secret certain contra-assistance activities resulted in criminal charges being brought against him.

After lengthy negotiations with Independent Counsel, McFarlane on March 11, 1988, pleaded guilty to four misdemeanor charges that he unlawfully withheld information from Congress about North's contra-support activities and about the solicitation of foreign funding for the contras. As a condition of his plea, he agreed to cooperate with the ongoing criminal investigation. On December 24, 1992, McFarlane was one of six Iran/contra defendants pardoned by President Bush.

source: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_01.htm
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Long post if you are still reading, but very relevant to the situation today.

I think in these times, she should be forced to testify. After all, we have to find the truth on what really happened (and what we already know, just need her to say it).

the separation of powers issue is a smokescreen


she is a lousy liar and would end up indicted if she appeared under oath.

...n/t