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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:14 AM
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need help on outsourcing views
hey can anyone point me to quotations and views expressed by industry biggies on buiness process outsourcing? need to churn out an article.
thanks!
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:15 AM
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1. Pro or Con? n/t
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:17 AM
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2. both!
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:20 AM
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4. Here's a couple against...
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:23 AM
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5. Thanks
Is anyone FOR outsouring in america these days? I mean i know CEOs are, but do you know if they are saying anything abt it?
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MadProphetMargin Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:19 AM
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3. Google "Carly Fiona Hewlett Packard". You will find more callous
quotes than you can shake a stick at. She is the all time Champion of outsourcing, and laughing at those she outsources.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:46 AM
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6. good timing for a new report by industry - for it of course
See http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-1022_3-5181612.html

Report: Offshore IT outsourcing helps economy
Ed Frauenheim, Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Published: March 30, 2004

In the latest salvo in a debate over sending tech work overseas, a report sponsored by an industry group concludes that the practice is good for the U.S. economy and its workers.

Another article is at http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20040330005711&newsLang=en

and it says this:
The executive summary of the ITAA/Global Insight study is available on the ITAA website. See a replay of the press conference at http://www.connectlive.com/events/itaa.

If you do a "Google News" on "Global Insight" you'll find a whole slew of articles on it.

Good luck.
s_m

P.S. Thomas Friedmann has had some columns from India lately that sort of walk a balance between outsourcing being good or bad.

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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:57 AM
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7. Friedmann is an ass
He only sees shiny buildings in Bangalore. I've been here for 3 years now and I notice the slums that lurk beneath Friedmann's glass towers. The truth is that globalization sucks, be it for the west or for us in the third world.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 02:02 AM
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8. Try This From Stephen Roach And Morgan Stanely
http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/20040330-tue.html

Global: Offshoring -- Myth and Reality

Stephen Roach (from Bangalore, India)
Mar 30, 2004

In America, the global labor arbitrage has quickly turned into the major domestic issue of Campaign 2004. In Asia, the political backlash to the globalization of employment is seen as the single greatest threat to the hopes and aspirations of economic development. Nowhere is this more evident than in India, where I have just begun the final leg of my two-week swing through Asia.

It's worth reviewing the evidence on offshoring before plunging into the great debate. That doesn't take long -- in large part because the actual data points on the empirical magnitude of offshoring are few and far between. Not surprisingly, the consultants -- most of who are in the IT advisory business -- have tended to downplay the loss of jobs from the high-wage developed world to the low-wage developing world. The most widely cited estimate of the impact of offshoring comes from a study of US trends conducted by Forrester Research; they calculate that only about 400,000 business process jobs have been "offshored" -- a total they expect to rise to about 3.3 million by 2015. That may sound like a lot but it works out to annual job losses of only about 300,000 over the next decade -- not much of a dent in a US economy that currently employs 130 million workers.

As best I can tell, this is a pretty flaky estimate. Forrester does not provide much detail on the methodology or the empirics that lie behind this number (see the April 2003 Forrester study by Christine Ferrusi Ross, "Can Outsourcers Really Transform IT?"). Moreover, it is important to keep in mind that the Forrester estimate pertains only to business process jobs -- a relatively small slice of white-collar jobs that could ultimately be affected by IT-enabled offshoring. Unfortunately, a similar approach is taken by the other IT consultants, even by those who think the macro impacts are a big deal (see Gartner's July 2003 research note by D. Morello, "US Offshore Outsourcing: Structural Changes, Big Impact").

Snip ......
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:06 AM
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9. Snow Reignites Fight Over Job Outsourcing
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary John Snow reignited the political argument over U.S. companies shipping jobs overseas Tuesday with comments that "outsourcing" was an integral part of a global trading system.
...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20040331/ap_on_el_pr/snow_job_losses

Imho, outsourcing will enrich a few already wealthy folks at the expense of regular Americans and our nation. It also helps build competition in other countries to formerly American industries. This wouldn't be bad, imho, if American industries weren't being canibalized to build foriegn industries.

Outsourcing is also used to lower salaries in America by increasing the number or jobless Americans who are looking for the same job. Its useful for destroying unions, just outsource the buisness to an anti-union country if the employees decide to unionize.

Manufacturing, accounting, engineering, telemarketing and scientific research can all be outsourced. We hear about India as being a prime place to outsource, but China is getting India's job now since the Chinese government keeps wages even lower than India's.
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