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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:15 PM
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Oil Refinery explosion in Texas - this was the work of terrorists,
right?

I haven't heard or read all the details of last night's explosion and fire, but wasn't there some kind of alert issued about oil refineries in Texas last weekend and then on Tuesday night there is an explosion of a refinery in Texas.

Is this another lapse in w's ability to protect this nation from terrorist? Or will this somehow be Bill Clinton's fault again?

Also, if there is another thread discussing this topic, please direct me to it (I checked Late Breaking News).
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:18 PM
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1. Not according to what I've read.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 12:19 PM by GOPisEvil
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Refinery_Explosion.html

'Clawson said an internal investigation was also under way, following a heightened security alert from recent reports from the FBI and industry groups that refineries in this area might be targeted by terrorists.

"That was one of our first concerns" with the blasts, Clawson told the Texas City Sun in Wednesday's editions. "But there is no indication of that, none at all."'
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:25 PM
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4. Clenis Sighting
Wasn't Clinton's penis seen in the vicinity?

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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:18 PM
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2. Strange thing....
last week, the FBI was warning about a "potential strike" against
Texas oil refineries.
Today, it happens...and takes out a GASOLINE PROCESSING site...

:eyes:
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:30 PM
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12. Did you ever notice whenever gas prices are high there is a
fire at a refinery? Just yesterday I heard an oil industry spokesman
complaining that there is not enough refinery capacity and a new one
hasn't been built since 1975. Also if we only could drill in the ANWR
how much oil we would have.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:08 PM
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17. Refinery capacity is kept low intentionally
specifically to ensure higher profits
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:24 PM
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3. i doubt it
i grew up around houston and they have been having refinery fires and explosions down there for 30 years

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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:56 PM
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22. just about every May, there is a refinery fire
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 02:00 PM by SemperEadem
at the Chevron refinery in El Segundo, CA.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:27 PM
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5. These things blow up on their own with some regularity
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:27 PM
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6. Nope, just BP looking for more profits.
Another excuse for a sharp increase in gas prices this week.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:28 PM
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7. hmmm ... I smell higher gas prices
higher profits too
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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:28 PM
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8. Refineries and the chemicals they contain are VERY dangerous.
Explosions and accidents happen all the time. I've worked in 'em they blow (up).
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:47 PM
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15. Ive worked in refineries as well ...
and yes: ... they ARE dangerous places ...

This doesnt mean that this was not intentionally set ...

What happened in the California Energy Crisis PROVES that american energy concerns, PARTICULARLY those founded in Texas, are MORE than willing to sabotage their own facilities to drive down supplies and drive up prices ...

NEVER give an inch .....
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:29 PM
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9. I had the same thought hearing the reports n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:29 PM
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10. That's just absolutely not possible
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 12:31 PM by Gman
Condi and Bush have been telling us what a wonderful job they've done fighting terrorism. Condi & Bush would NEVER lie about sommething like this. There is no way on God's green Earth this was terrorists because Bush has made us very safe!

Get down on your knees right now, right this second, and thank God Bush is president.


Yeah, right.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:29 PM
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11. Dangerous place
Refineries have a way of exploding from time to time. Poor maintenance is a major cause. Operator error also causes a lot of problems, along with mechanical failures.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:34 PM
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13. Home-grown, DC-based terrorists...
"See, we warned you. Our anti-terrorist measures are working!"

Whether they ultimately choose to classify this as an accident or terrorism, it has served its purpose - heightened fear and a mandate to "stay the course".
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:51 PM
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20. they are a different breed of terrorists
home grown terrorists don't count unless they strike while a Democrat is president...

I sat in on a conference call a few weeks ago about terrorism insurance - they said the federal terrorism risk insurance act (TRIA) specifically excludes domestic terrorism, and they mentioned Timothy McVeigh by name as an act that would not be covered by terrorism insurance.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 02:05 PM
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23. that, in and of itself, is a huge story
that's pretty much saying "we don't consider people who look like us and our sons to be capable of terrorism, so we won't write policies because they're just "boys being boys".
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:32 PM
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25. here is the clause...
(iv) to have been committed by an individual or individuals acting on behalf of any foreign person or foreign interest, as part of an effort to coerce the civilian population of the United States or to influence the policy or affect the conduct of the United States Government by coercion.


This is a federal government act, not any individual company that is excluding domestic terrorism. I added the bold/underline.

http://www.terrorism-insurance-risk-management.com/tri_act.html
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:36 PM
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14. Here's a link to LBN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x454113
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:04 PM
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16. on 3/25 the FBI warned Tx. oil refineries of being targeted

saw this article at www.democrats.com just a few minutes ago.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:43 PM
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18. No doubt another profit inspired BFEE attack!
With any other administration - this thought would never have even entered my mind!! With THIS one - I can't get this thought out of my mind!

:tinfoilhat:
:puke:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:46 PM
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19. Why would they blow up something that blows up by itself regularly
...?

These things happen all the time.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 01:53 PM
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21. No, it was Bushco trying to jack up the cost of oil so they turn a profit
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 02:31 PM
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24. doubt it
If I recall correctly, this particular refinery is one that has gone blooey in the past. But I'm trying to find out.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:35 PM
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26. If it were, it would be the only thing on the news right now.
Everybody would stop what they're doing to tune in.

C'mon, you know what happens when stories like that break.
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:52 PM
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27. It's funny when I was reading your story what instantly came to mind
(and apparently it also came to the mind of others). I remember when we had these gas problems in the past and how, bingo, there would be one of these blowups. The result was, of course, increased anxiety in the people that the prices were going to go higher. So with this all I can think of is: an excuse to get by with higher prices still (just like Bush's 'we have a lousy economy 'cause we had a war, you know).
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