Lieberman Just Lost The Primary

Dean used the 2000 election in his statements, paraphrased "and this time all the votes will count." (I'll add them in later from tape).

And the crowd went wild.

Lieberman came up, obviously mad (you could hear it in his voice) and said something about winning the last election.

He couldn't get the crowd riled up at all. Dean overshadowed Lieberman on the stolen election issue, by right Lieberman's own personal issue.

That's it for Lieberman. From this moment it's all going to be down.

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I think we already knew the results of that one.

Believe it or not, most of the people who vote in the Democratic primaries weren't in the auditorium tonight, nor were they in your living room.

I saw and sensed the EXACT same thing.

Lieberman just collapsed. He was shocked he didn't get his standard applause...not even a polite clap.

This isn't about my like or dislike of Lieberman. Something visibly happened to Lieberman when his thunder was stolen. Watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. I don't care if anyone does or not, because you'll see it for yourself if you're honest to yourself.

who gets shockingly dumped by a woman he loves.

His heart just fell into his stomach...you could actually see it.

Demoralization on a massive scale coupled with anger and depression.

Crestfallen...his voice and face just...fell.

it makes it really easy to see....those jowels just drooped.

:)

when the crowd began to boo, is the look I will always remember when I think of him.

You are right, Kef, it was at that exact moment that he lost. And I wouldn't doubt that he knew it too.

Talking about school vouchers in front of union workers???

...to a Union crowd????
I have totally changed my mind about the man!

He'd have to get a LOT smarter than he is to come UP to "Clueless"...

Stick a Fork in him, he's DONE!

Well so much for that!

Then Dean comes along and says something similar and POW! Audience went wild.

He tried to build on the positive response from Deans comment and sort of died on stage.

Does that wipe him as a contender, necessarily? No -- but bottom line, the little thunder he had was stolen. I comemnted to a coworker tonight on the exact same few moments of the debate.

I'll not hide the fact that I'm not a fan of Lieberman, but that also doesn't disqualify me (or others) from noticing a historic "moment" in the campaign when it happens, just because of our dislike of the candidate... and Lieberman dying during that followup on Dean's statements about the election last night was one of those moments in my book.

What I saw was a complete collapse from within Lieberman during that followup election statement. You could see and hear his disappointment at the crowd's reaction.

And it's in that moment, when I sensed that he had become demoralized, that makes me think Lieberman finally saw the writing on the wall.

Oh, he'll continue on, but I don't think he's going to emotionally recover from the incident. Look for Lieberman to get more agressively nasty towards Dean from this point on, because Lieberman now has to beat Dean. It's gotten personal.

All IMO, but I think others will see it this way too, if others here also saw the moment like I did.

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I don't care if you believe me or not. He just lost it. For those people who have an open mind about what I'm saying, please check out the tape replay. You'll see what I saw. Lieberman should by all rights had that issue in his hands, yet no one could care less when he spoke on the election. Dean stole the thunder away from him, and if that can happen once, it will happen again.


It doesn't matter if people didn't see this. Lieberman experienced it and I saw and heard his reaction.

He's toast, and worst of all for Joe, I think he just realized it.

pathetic, annoying repuke-lite candidacy. Frankly, it can't come a moment too soon for me. He stabbed Gore in the back in 2000, is still gung-ho about Iraq and even pushes for expansion of the war and the military, demands censorship of "offensive" music and video games, and that Hollywood "censor" itself, doesn't give a damn about the needs of those who may just not have the same amount of money he does, kisses the Boy King's ass and sucks up to corporations, and he has the absolute, unmitigated GALL to claim that he wants to "pick up the torch of Al Gore and Bill Clinton?" WTF??????? Why doesn't he just get it over with and switch parties already, and put us out of our misery at having to put up with him in the party and as a candidate?

We all do. I agree with your assessment- He presumes to tell the party in which direction to move and can't get a rise on his signature attribute.

But the pundits? They are shallow and live in a very small beltway world.

How about those first few HORRID repub calls following the debate? yuck.

I've never thought for a minute that Lieberman could get any personal traction at all out of the 2000 election. My memories of him during the Florida debacle are that he simply threw in the towel (like most establishment Democrats, I fear). He was smarmy and spineless on the matter of military absentee ballots..hey, our soldiers got a right to vote, sure, but they have to follow rules too!...and he never took up arms for his leader, Al Gore, like a good vice president bloody well should. I was disgusted with Lieberman from the moment he let Cheney get away with that crack in their debate about the government having "nothing to do with" his Haliburton riches (HAH)and his behavior thereafter struck me as weasely at best. I can't believe he has a chance in hell for the nomination this time.

<<I was disgusted with Lieberman from the moment he let Cheney get away with that crack in their debate about the government having "nothing to do with" his Haliburton riches>>

I remember that Cheney made this FALSE statement right after Lieberman said something to the effect that he wished he could make as much money as Cheney earned in the private sector.

but lieberman lost the primary before he even started...

what a sad case...

get your flabby face outta here!
-zidzi

Ya lose.

My only wish for Lieberman is that he keeps on shooting off his mouth until he is so damaged that his only recourse is to quit the race!

Give it up now, Holy Joe, you're wasting Karl's money !!!


:hippie:

YES

No, Joe, don't talk about vouchers with AFL-CIO. :dunce:
Didn't think Joe was that stupid.

:hi:

That was so weird...I could tell that I was watching a historic moment right then. Magic Rat nailed it upthread.

it's great that Lieberman is bringing the party to the "right" because Dean would lose in 50 states!!!~

Obviously, Kudlow is rubbing off on Kramer a bit too much....(This was tonight)

Had Al Gore been inaugurated, Lieberman couldn't have run in 2004. He would have had to wait a full eight years before making his own bid for the presidency.

he started talking about 'we can look to the past or we can look to the future" and then said "I want to pick up the torch of Al Gore and Bill Clinton".

Get it straight, Joe!

Somebody, Don't Say Anything At All!" I Rest My Case!

somebody, come sit next to me." No sorry, that was Dorothy Parker.

Rosa Parks said that.

Teddy's daughter
she had this saying embroidered on a pillow on the sofa in her house in DC

Funny how smart people usually agree on something good though!

I hope to see it this evening.

His presidential career is toast. However, at this point I think he should just jump out of the race if he wants any sort of career at all. I've thought for months that this will be his last Senate term, but what if he runs in 2006. I know this is a longshot idea, but I'd assume that all of this conservative talk would yield a primary challenger. If it were someone with a lot of support (ideally, Rep. Rosa DeLauro, who is one of my fave congresswomen), he could lose the primary.

Lieberman is skulking around saying the other Dems are too far left. You can bet that the Freepers will be throwing Joe's words at the eventual nominee. Joe's giving aid & comfort to the enemy.

...is afraid to be a Democrat. I don't know what the heck he is. I'm recording the debates now, but came to the DU looking for spoilers. I'll have to look for Liebermans special moments...

it was sad to see

I didn't catch what Joe was talking about, but then it was Kerry's turn and he said something like "I have a bolder vision for America than Senator Lieberman" or something like that ...

essentially called him mini-Bush...


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nt

I hate pathos!

I never thought he had a chance at the nomination.

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Note: Lieberman sounded nervous about Al Gore giving a speech Thursday at NYU opposing the Iraq War.



August 5, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - \\

A MoveOn spokesman said Gore recently called the group and asked if he could address its members. He's set to speak to about 600 members at the Kimmel Center for University Life in Washington Square.

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Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) who was Gore's running mate in 2000, had vowed to stay out of the race until the former vice president decided he wouldn't run.

He said yesterday he doubts Gore will jump in. But regardless, Lieberman said he's in to stay.

"I've crossed the bridge," he said.

Holy Joe was destined to be a footnote before he decided to run for the nomination. He might as well declare himself a Republican.

Look at it this way: Gore received approx 51% of the vote during the last election. Nader got...what?... about 5%? That tells me that the majority of the American people don't like Demopublicans (Republicrats?). At any rate, we're a more liberal people that the liberal media{/i] (AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) would have us believe.

We can win this, and we WILL win this next election.

My prediction: Nader doesn't run if Dean wins the nomination. Even Kerry, for that matter. If Holy Joe wins (not bloody likely), Nader runs and screws us for another four years.

I know he definitely didn't get 5% because that was what he needed for the Greens to get Federal matching funds, which didn't even happen. Bah.

Gore got prolly 50.25%...so, by those #s, a majority of Americans are "liberal," although I wonder about a lot of Greens (some of whom seem more like anarchists or utopian radicals) and moderate Dems as well (many of whom seem more like Republicans and conservatives)...

But maybe that's just me being pessimistic...

Gore/Lieberman: 48.38%
Bush/Cheney: 47.87%
Nader/LaDuke: 2.74%
Buchanan/Foster: 0.43%
Browne/Oliver: 0.36%
Other: 0.22%

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/frametextj.html

during the candidates' final speeches.

God help us. :-(

Unless the DLC gets to him!

blurb would charge people up? He Joe, if you "already won once", then WHY THE HELL AIN'T YA THE VP? I knew his use of that notion would come back to bite him in the ass.

Joe, you won the last election but didn't have the BALLS to stand up and defend this great country's tradition of free and fair elections! You ALLOWED the republicans to take over the executive branch, NOT ONE WORD FROM YOU. Where were you then Joe? WHERE?

That should be Dean's blurb for Ol Joe; WHERE WERE YOU IN 2000 JOE?

to 'Move On', before the SCOTUS even stole it for Bush!

over the DLC crap he's been spouting. And I thought he was lousy (again) tonight. Close your eyes when he talks sometimes - sounds EXACTLY like the actor who played the father on "Alf."

However, to give him his due. . .he at least had the guts to try and defend his position on vouchers instead of backtracking, avoiding the issue, changing the subject, etc.

Still don't like him, still would only vote for him after being plied with MANY scotches, but I will give him credit for that.

eileen

"Let's make the poor children of America be the subjects of this experiments, and if it works, fine, if not, we learn something."

I left the room briefly, but my partner said that he did.

Regardless of who his running mate was, Gore would still have won the popular vote because he had Clinton's successes behind him.

I'm really sick of Lieberman's BS and seeing the promos for his website on Fox earlier disturb me.

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One thing I like about Dean is he is quick to the chase!!!

He never lets one comment go by without a check and counter check!!!

Yep......

I do believe he is Presidential...with intelligence!!!

I must have missed a half year there somewhere.

I'm watching the rerun now.

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NOT!!!!

To a Democratic crowd was unwise. I can't believe he did it. I used to think that Gephart or Graham would be the first to drop, but not anymore.

that Lieberman simply aint got the stomach
for the whole thing & just wants out? That he
had to run after Gore dropped out but didnt
really have any fire for it? I mean,
everything he does & says seems to be designed
to alienate Democrats. Can he be so out of touch,
so utterly tone deaf?

As a 3rd party candidate. Is he so convinced that HE is the alternative to Bush that he would do that ?

I think he would take more votes from Bush than from a Democrat.
I wish he would get out of the Democratic party since he really ain't much of a Democrat to my way of thinking. Wouldn't break my heart, then all the 'pukes who ACT like they like him could actually have him.

Lieberman might have a chronic problem with making sane things come out of his mouth, but he's not going to quit being a Democrat. At least, I don't think he is.

As to "he really ain't much of a Democrat" ... well, that's sort of the rub, isn't it? I grew up under certain assumptions as to what being a Democrat meant, and when I was old enough to vote, I found out the Democrats didn't share those assumptions anymore, and pretty much hadn't for most of my life. Joe's just been putting that into words lately, for better or worse.

I know that a lot of these quote are going to be turned against us by the Pukes in the election. I can hear the ads on Fox now: "Even avowed socialist Joe Lieberman thinks Dean/Kerry/whoever is too liberal. Don't you think so too?"

He was already turning his campaign into a kamikaze attack on Dean.

With nothing to lose, expect even more divisive rhetoric from Holy Joe.

with no personality

It's not so much that it was stupid to talk about it in front of a union crowd. In fact, it was probably a bit courageous for him to be upfront about it. The problem is that it's just the wrong side of the issue to be on in the first place (at least for most of us libs.)Give him credit, he didn't duck it. He's just not going to be able to win a Democratic nomination with that position.

But also lets not confuse matters. I was posting about the event that happened near the end of the forum, when Dean and Joe were talking about the election of 2000. It's getting ready to replay on CSPAN right now. Check out the end of the show and you all will see what I'm talking about. It's plain as day.

They didn't like that at all.

More boos on closing ...ouch.

Sharpton drew some big applause, and I think a few grumblings when he made comments that Ashcroft investigating union leaders more than corrupt executives.

Thank God.

The time for him to fight was in Florida in 2000. Like all of the Democrats in power, he played nice and the American people got stomped.

I liked Clinton/Gore very much indeed, but this election is not about them or Gore/Lieberman. It's about the future. It's time to truly move on and pick a totally new candidate.

I think it is time to get fresh faces in the races! I like Al Gore and all, but I think he is a political dead horse. And if Gore is a political dead horse, Lieberman is a horse skeleton.