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wontmoveon Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:55 PM
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What's up with this massive search for Saddam???
What did Saddam ever do to the US? What did Iraq ever do to the US?
Why aren't we putting as much effort into finding Osama?
What is up with this craziness?
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:56 PM
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1. I seem to remember being told
that saddam was "irrelevant"
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:56 PM
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2. It's a smoke screen....
For more important issues.

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StopThief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:57 PM
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3. I believe that the theory is that. . .
the Iraqi people will not be able to move on with their lives and start building a new society until they are sure he is gone for good.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:59 PM
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5. Yeah, sure.....
I got a no-bid contract I wanna sell you!
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:39 PM
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10. That is the conventional wisdom.
And there may be some merit to that argument. I'm sure they have other reasons as well.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:48 PM
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12. I got a Oil pipeline I wanna sell you
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:01 PM
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15. Why would I want an oil pipeline?
I've seen several retired military analysts on the news comment on the need to get rid of him so that the Iraqi people can end thier fear that he is coming back and get on with their lives. These analysts seemed infinately more credible than the cartoon you so crudely depict in your post.

I don't have a problem with you thinking that Bush and Rummy are just trying to "shut Saddam up". That's okay with me if you think that. If I knew more about what he was going to say or understood why he's not saying those things now, I would probably be more receptive to your viewpoint. But you haven't given me anything to go on other than an amateurish, condescending put-down. If you can't respond to me in a mature, civil manner . . . then keep your cartoons to yourself.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:44 PM
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21. Cartoons are 'freedom of speech', your post is more like a RW

put-down, o'reilly style...

IMO, the cartoon is GREAT, shows lots of artistic and creative talent, and tells the truth...

lots of RWers can't stand the truth....
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:07 PM
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26. I wouldn't know what O'Reilly style is.
But I do appreciate that you are a fan of cartoons. That's cool. And, I happen to be good friends with the "truth". But you were refering to some RWers with that truth comment . . . no way you were implying that I'm a RWer, right? Because, that would not be very nice.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:11 PM
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17. it's all horseshit
If that's seriously what they believe they operate in fantasyland, the only reason there is any cooperation/collaboration at all with the US is fear of Saddam returning, If I was the Bush admin I'd pray for his good health nightly.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:58 PM
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4. Must keep him from spilling the beans on the Bush crime family
We have become a nation of assassins...didn't you know?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:59 PM
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6. Trophy hunting smokescreen
When he's killed, it'll be YIPPEEE!!

An "accomplishment" that's concrete that Smirkies can point to as something their Fearless Leader did.

Obviously, killing Saddam will do nothing to pacify Iraqi resistance to the invasion and occupation.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:00 PM
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7. With daily US fatalities, no WoMD, and falling numbers..
Rove has decided that they need a 'win', and quick....The only way to stem the flow of negative stories about the duplicitous maneuverings of this illegal administration is to get SH, and get him fast...

TB
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:03 PM
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8. Noted news article that said we have pulled Black Ops out of
searching to Osama to get Saddam. As I said in another thread: my old grandma (born in 1872 and died in 1973) used to say about hankies--one for "show" and one for "blow". Bush is pulling out the "show" hankie to win a few miserable bumps in the 'ratings'. Goood, find the fucker; get it over with, 'cause you still got the swill hole Iraq to drain 4 billion a month forever on your hands, George. He's ignoring the one that will "blow" us to hell with the next opportunity. I hope the people remember that...and I wish the Dems would start screaming about the news piece. Shows just how unprotected we are to protect this sorry ass loser.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:26 PM
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9. IT MEANS
that like Saddam's boys, the US aready KNOWS where he is and is bulding up his imminent death (NO WAY WILL BUSH INC LET HIM LIVE TO TALK) to boost King George's reinstallation chances.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:42 PM
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11. What do you think Saddam will say?
I keep hearing that Saddam will spill the beans on Bush but no one is saying what those "beans" are.

Also, why doesn't Saddam spill those beans now? He puts out an audio tape every 3 or 4 days it seems.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:51 PM
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13. He'll say, "WTF, you sold me the toys"
"You didn't think I was gonna play with them?"
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:03 PM
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16. Seriously, that's all he'll say?
That's not so devastating is it? That's not a reason to take him out is it? No, I still think it's because they think it will help to stablize the country if he were dead.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:16 PM
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19. yeah
like killing his sons would. As far as those tapes go, come on, get real. THEY ONLY RELEASE WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO HEAR.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:02 PM
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24. Al Jazeera doesn't protect this administration does it?
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:05 PM
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25. here's just a small part of bush family crimes (links)
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 08:21 PM by amen1234
read about part of bush crimes here, with heavy government documentation...includes reagun, pappy bush, and rumsfeld...criminals all of them....this is one of the reasons that bushII is hiding the reagun presidential papers, which itself is illegal....bushII hides his father's crimes, shown here....


this relationship with saddam is very close between reagun, pappy bush and rumsfeld...read it to understand true crimes of bush family..
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

and sadly, here is a Congressional report, showing that the USA gave biological agents to saddam...remember who were the reTHUGlican presidents/VPs during these shipments...

http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/r_1_2.html#exports

-snips-

U.S. Exports of Biological Materials to Iraq

Date : February 8, 1985
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Agency
Materials Shipped:

Ustilago nuda (Jensen) Rostrup

Date : February 22, 1985
Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education
Materials Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)
Class III pathogen

Date : July 11, 1985
Sent To : Middle and Near East Regional A
Material Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)
Class III pathogen

Date : May 2, 1986
Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education
Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)
Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus Subtilis (Ehrenberg) Cohn (ATCC 82)
Batch # 06-20-84 (2 each)

3. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 3502)
Batch # 07-07-81 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

4. Clostridium perfringens (Weillon and Zuber) Hauduroy, et al (ATCC 3624)
Batch # 10-85SV (2 each)

5. Bacillus subtilis (ATCC 6051)
Batch # 12-06-84 (2 each)

6. Francisella tularensis var. tularensis Olsufiev (ATCC 6223)
Batch # 05-14-79 (2 each)
Avirulent, suitable for preparations of diagnotic antigens

7. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 9441)
Batch # 03-84 (3 each)
Highly toxigenic

8. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 9564)
Batch # 03-02-79 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 10779)
Batch # 04-24-84S (3 each)

10. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 12916)
Batch #08-14-80 (2 each)
Agglutinating type 2

11. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 13124)
Batch #07-84SV (3 each)
Type A, alpha-toxigenic, produces lecithinase C.J. Appl.

12. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)
Batch #01-14-80 (3 each)
G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick)
V770-NP1-R. Bovine Anthrax
Class III pathogen

13. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)
Batch #01-06-78 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

14. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14581)
Batch #04-18-85 (2 each)

15. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14945)
Batch #06-21-81 (2 each)

16. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 17855)
Batch # 06-21-71
Class III pathogen

17. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 19213)
Batch #3-84 (2 each)

18. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 19397)
Batch # 08-18-81 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

19. Brucella abortus Biotype 3 (ATCC 23450)
Batch # 08-02-84 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

20. Brucella abortus Biotype 9 (ATCC 23455)
Batch # 02-05-68 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

21. Brucella melitensis Biotype 1 (ATCC 23456)
Batch # 03-08-78 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

22. Brucella melitensis Biotype 3 (ATCC 23458)
Batch # 01-29-68 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

23. Clostribium botulinum Type A (ATCC 25763)
Batch # 8-83 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

24. Clostridium botulinum Type F (ATCC 35415)
Batch # 02-02-84 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

Date : August 31, 1987
Sent To : State Company for Drug Industries
Materials Shipped:

1. Saccharomyces cerevesiae (ATCC 2601)
Batch # 08-28-08 (1 each)

2. Salmonella choleraesuis subsp. choleraesuis Serotype typhi (ATCC 6539)
Batch # 06-86S (1 each)

3. Bacillus subtillus (ATCC 6633)
Batch # 10-85 (2 each)

4. Klebsiella pneumoniae subsp. pneumoniae (ATCC 10031)
Batch # 08-13-80 (1 each)

5. Escherichia coli (ATCC 10536)
Batch # 04-09-80 (1 each)

6. Bacillus cereus (11778)
Batch #05-85SV (2 each)

7. Staphylococcus epidermidis (ATCC 12228)
Batch # 11-86s (1 each)

8. Bacillus pumilus (ATCC 14884)
Batch # 09-08-80 (2 each)

Date : July 11, 1988
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 11303)
Batch # 04-875
Phase host

2. Cauliflower Mosaic Caulimovirus (ATCC 45031)
Batch # 06-14-85
Plant Virus

3. Plasmid in Agrobacterium Tumefaciens (ATCC 37349)
(Ti plasmid for co-cultivation with plant integration vectors in E. Coli)
Batch # 05-28-85

Date : April 26, 1988
Sent To: : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57236) Phage vector
Suggest host: E coli

2. Hulambda14-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57240) Phage vector
Suggested host: E coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57242) Phage vector
Suggested host: E. coli

Date : August 31, 1987
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 23846)
Batch # 07-29-83 (1 each)

2. Escherichia coli (ATCC 33694)
Batch # 05-87 (1 each)

Date : September 29, 1988
Sent To : Ministry of Trade
Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240)
Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938)
Batch # 1963 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

3. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 3629)
Batch # 10-23-85 (3 each)

4. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 8009)
Batch # 03-30-84 (3 each)

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705)
Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

6. Brucella abortus (ATCC 9014)
Batch # 05-11-66 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

7. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 10388)
Batch # 06-01-73 (3 each)

8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966)
Batch #05-05-70 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium botulinum Type A
Batch # 07-86 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

10. Bacillus cereus (ATCC 33018)
Batch # 04-83 (3 each)

11. Bacillus ceres (ATCC 33019)
Batch # 03-88 (3 each)

Date : January 31, 1989
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. PHPT31, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase (HPRT)
Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57057)

2. Plambda500, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
pseudogene (HPRT) Chromosome(s): 5 p14-p13 (ATCC 57212)

Date : January 17, 1989
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosomes(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57237) Phage vector;
Suggested host: E. coli

2. Hulambda14, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57540), Cloned from human lymphoblast, Phase vector
Suggested host: E. coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57241) Phage vector;
Suggested host: E. coli


Additionally, the Centers for Disease Control has compiled a listing of biological materials shipped to Iraq prior to the Gulf War. The listing covers the period from October 1, 1984 (when the CDC began keeping records) through October 13, 1993. The following materials with biological warfare significance were shipped to Iraq during this period.

Date : November 28, 1989
Sent To : University of Basrah, College of
Science, Department of Biology
Materials Shipped:

1. Enterococcus faecalis

2. Enterococcus faecium

3. Enterococcus avium

4. Enterococcus raffinosus

5. Enteroccus gallinarium

6. Enterococcus durans

7. Enteroccus hirae

8. Streptococcus bovis
(etiologic)

Date : April 21, 1986
Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,
Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69, House 28/I,
Baghdad, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid
(non-infectious)

Date : March 10, 1986
Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,
Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69 House 28/I,
Baghdad, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid #A2
(non-infectious)

Date : June 25, 1985
Sent To : University of Baghdad, College of
Medicine, Department of Microbiology
Materials Shipped:

1. 3 years cultures
(etiologic)
Candida sp.

Date : May 21, 1985
Sent To : Basrah, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. Lyophilized arbovirus seed
(etiologic)

2. West Nile Fever Virus

Date : April 26, 1985
Sent To : Minister of Health, Ministry of
Health, Baghdad, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. 8 vials antigen and antisera (r. rickettsii and r. typhi) to diagnose rickettsial


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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:54 PM
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14. remember the ongoing "hunt" for Osama, and the nightly...
play by play?


I don't remember that either


but boy this hunt makes for some good fox news watchin'! Keeps folks glued to the next commercial


fortunately, making it seem like our troops are actually hunting down Sadddam gives great cover for any atrocity that is committed
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:20 PM
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18. All excellent, excellent questions.
What you are experiencing is a massive, massive media barrage that has brainwashed Americans into hating Iraq and Saddam Hussein for so long (at least 10 years), that they don't even wonder what it is that Iraq and Saddam Hussein did to them.

Something as fundamental as an act of aggression towards the United States -- the question is never even posed. It is truly an amazing phenomenon, if only it weren't so profoundly diabolical.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:41 PM
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20. We have always been at war with Saddam.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:59 PM
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22. not true. Here's the photo of rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam
they were both great friends at one time...in fact, rumsfeld was instrumental in giving saddam a lot of bio-weapons....the same agents that saddam used on the kurds (after pappy bush told the kurds that he would protect them if they rose up against saddam, another lie from pappy bush which killed many people)....



Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.

read about ronald reagun, pappy bush, rumsfeld, and their great love of saddam here....
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:44 PM
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28. and here's a link to the list of bioweapons given to saddam by
reagun, rumsfeld, and pappy bush....


http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/r_1_2.html#exports

-snips-

U.S. Exports of Biological Materials to Iraq

Date : February 8, 1985
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Agency
Materials Shipped:

Ustilago nuda (Jensen) Rostrup

Date : February 22, 1985
Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education
Materials Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)
Class III pathogen

Date : July 11, 1985
Sent To : Middle and Near East Regional A
Material Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)
Class III pathogen

Date : May 2, 1986
Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education
Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)
Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus Subtilis (Ehrenberg) Cohn (ATCC 82)
Batch # 06-20-84 (2 each)

3. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 3502)
Batch # 07-07-81 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

4. Clostridium perfringens (Weillon and Zuber) Hauduroy, et al (ATCC 3624)
Batch # 10-85SV (2 each)

5. Bacillus subtilis (ATCC 6051)
Batch # 12-06-84 (2 each)

6. Francisella tularensis var. tularensis Olsufiev (ATCC 6223)
Batch # 05-14-79 (2 each)
Avirulent, suitable for preparations of diagnotic antigens

7. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 9441)
Batch # 03-84 (3 each)
Highly toxigenic

8. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 9564)
Batch # 03-02-79 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 10779)
Batch # 04-24-84S (3 each)

10. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 12916)
Batch #08-14-80 (2 each)
Agglutinating type 2

11. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 13124)
Batch #07-84SV (3 each)
Type A, alpha-toxigenic, produces lecithinase C.J. Appl.

12. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)
Batch #01-14-80 (3 each)
G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick)
V770-NP1-R. Bovine Anthrax
Class III pathogen

13. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)
Batch #01-06-78 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

14. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14581)
Batch #04-18-85 (2 each)

15. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14945)
Batch #06-21-81 (2 each)

16. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 17855)
Batch # 06-21-71
Class III pathogen

17. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 19213)
Batch #3-84 (2 each)

18. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 19397)
Batch # 08-18-81 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

19. Brucella abortus Biotype 3 (ATCC 23450)
Batch # 08-02-84 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

20. Brucella abortus Biotype 9 (ATCC 23455)
Batch # 02-05-68 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

21. Brucella melitensis Biotype 1 (ATCC 23456)
Batch # 03-08-78 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

22. Brucella melitensis Biotype 3 (ATCC 23458)
Batch # 01-29-68 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

23. Clostribium botulinum Type A (ATCC 25763)
Batch # 8-83 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

24. Clostridium botulinum Type F (ATCC 35415)
Batch # 02-02-84 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

Date : August 31, 1987
Sent To : State Company for Drug Industries
Materials Shipped:

1. Saccharomyces cerevesiae (ATCC 2601)
Batch # 08-28-08 (1 each)

2. Salmonella choleraesuis subsp. choleraesuis Serotype typhi (ATCC 6539)
Batch # 06-86S (1 each)

3. Bacillus subtillus (ATCC 6633)
Batch # 10-85 (2 each)

4. Klebsiella pneumoniae subsp. pneumoniae (ATCC 10031)
Batch # 08-13-80 (1 each)

5. Escherichia coli (ATCC 10536)
Batch # 04-09-80 (1 each)

6. Bacillus cereus (11778)
Batch #05-85SV (2 each)

7. Staphylococcus epidermidis (ATCC 12228)
Batch # 11-86s (1 each)

8. Bacillus pumilus (ATCC 14884)
Batch # 09-08-80 (2 each)

Date : July 11, 1988
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 11303)
Batch # 04-875
Phase host

2. Cauliflower Mosaic Caulimovirus (ATCC 45031)
Batch # 06-14-85
Plant Virus

3. Plasmid in Agrobacterium Tumefaciens (ATCC 37349)
(Ti plasmid for co-cultivation with plant integration vectors in E. Coli)
Batch # 05-28-85

Date : April 26, 1988
Sent To: : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57236) Phage vector
Suggest host: E coli

2. Hulambda14-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57240) Phage vector
Suggested host: E coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57242) Phage vector
Suggested host: E. coli

Date : August 31, 1987
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 23846)
Batch # 07-29-83 (1 each)

2. Escherichia coli (ATCC 33694)
Batch # 05-87 (1 each)

Date : September 29, 1988
Sent To : Ministry of Trade
Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240)
Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938)
Batch # 1963 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

3. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 3629)
Batch # 10-23-85 (3 each)

4. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 8009)
Batch # 03-30-84 (3 each)

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705)
Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

6. Brucella abortus (ATCC 9014)
Batch # 05-11-66 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

7. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 10388)
Batch # 06-01-73 (3 each)

8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966)
Batch #05-05-70 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium botulinum Type A
Batch # 07-86 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

10. Bacillus cereus (ATCC 33018)
Batch # 04-83 (3 each)

11. Bacillus ceres (ATCC 33019)
Batch # 03-88 (3 each)

Date : January 31, 1989
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. PHPT31, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase (HPRT)
Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57057)

2. Plambda500, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
pseudogene (HPRT) Chromosome(s): 5 p14-p13 (ATCC 57212)

Date : January 17, 1989
Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosomes(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57237) Phage vector;
Suggested host: E. coli

2. Hulambda14, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57540), Cloned from human lymphoblast, Phase vector
Suggested host: E. coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase
(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57241) Phage vector;
Suggested host: E. coli


Additionally, the Centers for Disease Control has compiled a listing of biological materials shipped to Iraq prior to the Gulf War. The listing covers the period from October 1, 1984 (when the CDC began keeping records) through October 13, 1993. The following materials with biological warfare significance were shipped to Iraq during this period.

Date : November 28, 1989
Sent To : University of Basrah, College of
Science, Department of Biology
Materials Shipped:

1. Enterococcus faecalis

2. Enterococcus faecium

3. Enterococcus avium

4. Enterococcus raffinosus

5. Enteroccus gallinarium

6. Enterococcus durans

7. Enteroccus hirae

8. Streptococcus bovis
(etiologic)

Date : April 21, 1986
Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,
Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69, House 28/I,
Baghdad, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid
(non-infectious)

Date : March 10, 1986
Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,
Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69 House 28/I,
Baghdad, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid #A2
(non-infectious)

Date : June 25, 1985
Sent To : University of Baghdad, College of
Medicine, Department of Microbiology
Materials Shipped:

1. 3 years cultures
(etiologic)
Candida sp.

Date : May 21, 1985
Sent To : Basrah, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. Lyophilized arbovirus seed
(etiologic)

2. West Nile Fever Virus

Date : April 26, 1985
Sent To : Minister of Health, Ministry of
Health, Baghdad, Iraq
Materials Shipped:

1. 8 vials antigen and antisera (r. rickettsii and r. typhi) to diagnose rickettsial

http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/r_1_2.html#exports
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:01 PM
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23. "He's the guy who tried to kill my dad"
This is a war in the name of vengeance for a crackpot loonie who said something he could hardly even begin to carry out. :eyes:

Saddam ain't no saint. He should have been deposed 13 years ago, but Daddy Bush was never a glowing shrewd saint of a person who could get things done completely either. Daddy Bush is to blame for everything that's happened in Iraq since the Kuwait invasion. Why isn't Duhbya Shrubbypants* going after him with some just due criticism?

But Bush is as much of a terrorist as all the people he's fingering and pointing. And on a larger scale because he's got much more powerful weapons. And on an even larger scale because his rampaging has caused the deaths of far more innocent people than anything any terrorist has done against the US.

And you're right about Osama. Bush hasn't cared about him since he helped Osama's family leave the US shortly after 9/11. On March 22 2002 he even said Osama wasn't a concern.

Like father, like son. Two dipshit idiots using their hamfisted "talents" to screw up every thing they touch.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:07 PM
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27. They've been 24 hours away for about two weeks.
The story isn't above the fold any more.

As to the reasons, I've been wondering why the Bushies talk about it so much. It has to be for domestic political reasons, I think. What good does it do the troops looking for Saddam to have Bush say "We're hot on his trail" in a press conference? What good does it do anyone for that matter?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:45 PM
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29. Bushco has to snuff Saddam before he talks!
They'd do the same to Kenny Boy if he tried to squeal!
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