Rat Bast@rd Liebermen has no chance!

Did you see that DINO on CNN bad mouthing Dean? Just go stick your nose back up Dubya's butt, Joe!

More dishonesty about Lieberman. Why am I not suprised? Why don't we rename this board "The Lieberman Haters Meetup place?"

Where's the meeting, cause I hate him and that butt warmer he calls a nose.

I absolutely cannot stand Lieberman.

...and Lieberman tends to be toward right of the democratic spectrum and is trying to goad the party to the right, is it any wonder that he isn't exactly popular around here?

From Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer
8/03/03

(snip)

BLITZER: But, you know, some of your Democratic challengers, like Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont, totally disagree with you. I interviewed him, and he suggested that the U.S. might not be better off now in the aftermath of the war with Iraq. He totally disagrees with you...

LIEBERMAN: He does...

BLITZER: ... and he's resonating, as you well know, with a lot of Democrats out there.

LIEBERMAN: He totally disagrees with me. I totally disagree with him.

The fact is that this is the important debate, discussion going on within the Democratic Party for the heart and soul of our party. When you look back to Kennedy, to Clinton, obviously to Roosevelt and Truman, you find the great tradition of the Democratic Party being strong on security.

We're not going to meet the challenges that America faces today with someone who wonders whether the world is better off or not with Saddam Hussein gone.

And I understand the -- you know, I'm not -- I'm in this to win, but...

BLITZER: To win the presidency, not just the nomination.

LIEBERMAN: Yes, but I'm also in this to make the case for what I think America needs in leadership today, and it's leadership that is strong on security, that knows that importance of using diplomacy when that is...

BLITZER: What I hear you saying is that Howard Dean may be able to do well with Democrats, but he's not winnable, he can't win the presidency.

LIEBERMAN: Well, let me put it this way first: He's not the leader based on the record -- weak on defense, raising taxes on the middle class -- not the leader that America needs to meet the dual challenges to our security and our prosperity today, and he could well be a ticket to nowhere. He could take the Democratic Party out into the political wilderness for a long time because his positions, in my opinion, do not even reflect the majority of Democrats, let alone the majority of the American people.

And I'm going to do battle on this, because I feel very strongly about this after 30 years in public service. The Democratic Party stands for strength on security, and it stands for an economy that protects the middle class and grows it, doesn't raise taxes on it.

BLITZER: So you're suggesting he's weak on security.

LIEBERMAN: Yes. I mean, based on his record. BLITZER: Let me show you the covers of new Time magazine and Newsweek this week, and I'll put it up on the screen -- "The Dean Factor." "A feisty ex-governor from Vermont is setting the pace in the race against Bush. Does Howard Dean's renegade campaign stand a chance?"

"Newsweek's" cover: "Howard Dean: Destiny or Disaster?" You're suggesting disaster.

LIEBERMAN: Well, not destiny. That's for sure.

In other words, Howard Dean and some of the other Democratic candidates would take us back on the issues, on the positions of the party to where Democrats were for, the most part, between 1972 and 1992, where Democrats were seen as soft on defense, big taxing, big spending, fiscally irresponsible, soft on crime and a, kind of, anything-goes party...

BLITZER: So he could turn out to be -- are you suggesting...

LIEBERMAN: And Bill Clinton turned that around.

BLITZER: But, sir, Howard Dean, George McGovern: Is that the comparison you're making?

LIEBERMAN: Let's put it this way: I worry about it. And the point I'm trying to make is that Bill Clinton and a lot of us who were so-called new Democrats came into the '92 campaign with a whole new approach. There's an important role for government, but the era of big government is over. We're going to be fiscally responsible. We're going to be strong on security and we're going to be socially progressive.

That reconnected with the majority of the American people and led to eight extraordinarily productive years of security and prosperity.

Howard Dean and a lot of the other Democrats, in one way or another, would take the Democratic Party back to where we were before Bill Clinton and Al Gore won in 1992. That's not the leadership that America needs or wants today and, as I said before, it could well take the Democratic Party into the political wilderness for a long time.

(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/03/le.00.html

Meanwhile, here's Howard Dean last night on LKL:

(snip)

KING: Speaking of the others attacking you, yesterday, on Sunday, Senator Joe Lieberman, another candidate, compared you to George McGovern and described a party led by Dean as a ticket to no where. Today he spoke at the National Press Club. Here's what he had to say and we'll get your comment.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOE LIEBERMAN (D-CT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: A candidate who was opposed to the war against Saddam, who has called for the repeal of all of the Bush tax cuts, which would result in an increase in taxes on the middle class, I believe will not offer the kind of leadership America needs to meet the challenges that we face today. And as I said in my prepared remarks, I believe that that kind of candidate could lead the Democratic Party into the political wilderness for a long time to come. Could be really a ticket to no where.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Your reaction?

DEAN: Well, obviously I don't agree.

I think the four candidates from Washington that voted for the war, Senator Lieberman, Senator Kerry, Senator Edwards and Representative Gephardt basically gave the president carte blanche in October to launch a preemptive strike and the evidence wasn't there.

(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/lkl.00.html

Lieberman is a desparate man and it is beginng to show.

"I think the four candidates from Washington that voted for the war, Senator Lieberman, Senator Kerry, Senator Edwards and Representative Gephardt basically gave the president carte blanche in October to launch a preemptive strike and the evidence wasn't there."

The Washington establishment are a bunch of spineless, mealy mouthed worms who don't belong in the White House. To think LieberMAN would even consider talking about leadership after the way he has cow towed to Bush is incredible.

Fall back in line behind the President where you belong, Joe!

I'll bring a Lieberman Pinata to the first meetup.

Was he NOT on CNN bad-mouthing Dean?

lately... and not in a good way.

If you lead 'National' polls, you don't give the person in 3rd or 4th place (i.e. Dean) free publicity.

It's way too early to begin attack politics when the Dean wave could be over by December.

Take heart, even Dean's surge in the polls is largely a result of the press and the grassroots organization he has built. Only one of those thing I named will actually stay with a candidate for anytime. Dean is doing a modern version of the Carter campaign and with the mood of the Dem electorate the Dr. may be the only one left standing for better or worse.

***Disclaimer: I am still profoundly undecided.

He showed absolutely nothing, when it was important for him and Gore to get their ass down to Florida and fight for the 2000 election that was positively being stolen from the American people (and there's mountains of proof, everywhere to back this up.)

Lieberman loves to use the line he won the last election...but he did zero to fight for us Democrats...he kept his cushy ass-kissing Senate job and now the piece of shit wants our support?

NO FUCKING WAY!

perhaps you should consider spelling people's name correctly when you insult them? a bit more polite, don't you think?

No need to get angry. He can cry all he wants but he wont be nominated. It will either be Senator Waffle or Dean.

And so are the repuke mouth pieces. Limburger was calling Dean Nikita Dean....he really has been given instructions from Rove.....

I live in repuke hell and the only thing I have to listen to in the car, actually my SUV....is clear channel shit. My chance to hear the enemy......

They are all out in full force...playing his sound-bites....more name recognition as I see it.

I loved his enthusiasm when he was a candidate and I think it would be great if America could rise up and get over any prejudices and vote for a Jewish person for the highest offce, just as they finally voted for a Catholic ...... but ... politically, I do not approve of him because of his lukewarm support for Clinton when support was needed, his taking money from CANF and most likely the other right wing Cuban organizations (as many others do), but especially for his statements of support for Bush and his votes for killing (war). He stands pretty close to Zell Miller in his positions. The right wing loves him. Methinks he would support PNAC, I'm not sure. Ideologically, we can do much better.

I don't think there is an issue with Americans being prejudiced against Jews.

Someone religous/ethnic identity says nothing about the quality of that person or there values. Contrast Wellstone with Lieberman. Just because the Democratic doesn't nominate a Jew doesn't mean it is because of anti-semtism.

Wellstone was my choice. I wanted a Boxer-Wellstone or Wellstone-Boxer ticket.

His first vote in the Senate - against Iraq war #1
Last vote in the Senate - against Iraq war #2

He will always be one of my heroes.

All of the other candidates will attack Dean. The DLc is soon to begin attacking Dean. ALl of his record as governor will be open for attack by the entire media. It wil be fun to watch the most conservative democrat of all whis has just accused the democratic party of being to right go down in flames when all of his threats to veto democratic legialtion and all of his support of the entire Vermont Republicans party's latform hits the fron t page of the New York Times.

I guarantee that by October, all of the deals Dean cut with Republicans in Vermont to oppose the Democrats in Vermont will be fron page news, and on the lips of most of the demcratic party.

as noted of Dean:

Dean fashioned himself a position in the political center of Vermont politics even as the state has moved steadily to the left.

http://premium1.fosters.com/2003/news/may%5F03/may%5F19/news/reg%5Fvt0519a.asp

Dean is pulling his usual tactics of misrepresentation.
He states that rthe Democratic Party is moving too far to the right, yet indicates nothing of the fact that his ONW STANCE and POLITICAL RECORD is almost as far to the right as Geroge W. Bush's

it's kinda cute.

Cute is for kitties, this is more like a rabid Rottweiler.

The guys who are accusing Dean of being so far left that he will "lead the party into the wilderness" are going to out him as being far right.

This will be some trick to pull off while they simultaneously pretend to be as right as Dubya.

What most don't understand about Dean's appeal is that it isn't about being right or left, it's about standing up! Who cares what position Lieberman or the other spineless Dems have when they don't have the guts to stand up to the GOP? What good are they?

He's so out of touch with the Democratic base, I wonder what planet he just came from.