Lieberman will not be the nominee, says Bill Press.

Very critical of Lieberman's attacks on not just Dean, but Kerry, Gep, et al.
Of course, Buchanan thinks Lieberman is making a good move.

It is so obvious to me that Lieberman won't be the nominee that I give it no thought at all.

Even the DLC has ditched him.

There will be no clear winner going into the convention. The best chance Lieberman stands is in this scenario.


They think my concept of DEAN leading Kerry by a slim margin is just "wack".

So I guess that's why THEY get the big bucks.

Might as well get ready for the Gulags, camps, FEMA Detention Centers or whatever they ae going to call it this time around.

Are you seriuos on this point?

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And Press is an "establishment" guy. He is also moderating a debate next Monday night with the candidates.

That is my fear: the Dem power brokers will start funding him like crazy, and afford him other advantages, as well. By early Spring, we will know. Unless some Dem hopeful emerges so powerfully, that even the DLC/DNC can't stop them, I definitely believe the installed nominee will be either Lieberman or Kerry. (Of course, Kerry might emerge on his own.)

If he's that angry with Joe, it does not bode well for Joe and the Party.

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Makes me sick. For the first time, I am in an early primary state. I am furious with the DLC and the media trying to pick our candidate for us.
Lieberman should be VOTED OUT by reason on non-selection, not dumped by the DLC and the media.

I don't know about you, but I'm taking my voting power BACK from the DLC. Pro or con, they're not going to make my mind up for me or speak for me!!

Joe the Right Wing HO!!!!!! I'm sick and tired of this B.S about how bad the moderates and left wingers of the party are.
Joe should show his true colors and switch to the GOP!!!!

But he isn't a Republican. Then again I really wonder why I and Dolstein even bother 1/2 the time since the Lieberman bashers could really care less about the facts.

right wing Morality montra that he uses. Most Americans, middle to the left do not want to hear about this crap! In this respect he is very conservative.

But saying he is conservative is dishonest. And why are values such a bad thing?

That's one thing I could never understand about the far left is their contempt for values of any kind.

however, don't preach something that you don't practice. How many politicians have screamed about morality and condemed the entertainment industry for it's "IMMORALITY"? Where do these people like Lieberman get the right to go after them when he like so many others are in BED WITH WALL STREET????? This is why the young people who happen to be very idealistic are turned off by the entire process. One word for you jiacinto, HYPOCRACY!!!!!!!

But I see from a few people hositlity toward family values and mainstram values. That angers me.

criticism of Lieberman sometimes. But I have to tell you, I've vascillated over the years about him. I lived in CT for a couple of years, and while I liked him then, I didn't feel I could completely trust him. In the first place CT is the insurance capitol of the country, if not the world. Lieberman has to be beholden to the insurance companies, and in this day and age of out-of-control HMOs, etc., he just doesn't appeal to me. I think he's a good man, and he's very charming (if somewhat boring sometimes), and I appreciate his traditional Jewish values. But there's just something tiny element of the guy I can't trust all the way. And this came out in his criticism of Dean yesterday--the criticism didn't seem totally honest; it didn't make sense.

Does anyone else have this same feeling about Lieberman, or am I crazy?

When he was VP Candidate I thought he was great. Since thenthere have beeen incidents which made me not completely trust him. The Enron Debacle and his promise to really go after them. I watched and got the impression no one was putting forth the effort her. Maeme wonder is his loyalty more to busines or to ordinary Americans.
For the most part he seems to be a realy nice guy but our Presidency needs more than a realy nice guy.

But I don't consider him the antichrist either. Well the insurance industry provides a lot of jobs to people in his state. Going against them would cost him his seat.

I don't think he has what it takes to beat Bush. But I don't consider him the Devil either.

That is why he is not liked, and that it is a good reason. He is a spoiler. You consider Nader the antichrist for similar reasons, but can't blame Joe.

Lieberman noticed that gets you on the news. I think both of them are doing a disservice to the party, and doing Rove's work.

Joe does.

on the Fox network. Lieberman is a very scary man and extreme in his religious views. What's supposed to pass as his mainstream family values is the same kind of shit that starts persecution.

He's worse than Bush and I didn't think that would be possible for any politician.

That's code for anti-gay rhetoric and I resent you, of all people, using it.

That's what "angers me" to use your words.

I was about to ask him the very same question.

"Family Values" has never been satisfactorily defined for a reason...because it's code.

And to most of America's voting public.

It's too bad if it's "code". If it's Fundie code then it needs to be taken back and reclaimed as a Liberal cause.

Gore did us a favor by publishing that book about modern families and how they're not all like the traditional
Leave it Beaver type.

And the sad fact is, many people on the Left denigrate & attack anyone who cares about Family and Spirituality.

Exactly how does Family Values get defined? Is there an absolute standard here, or is it up to interpretation like how to define art?

I want an ABSOLUTE SPECIFIC definition of "Family Values" to know exactly what some mean when they bandy it around as some kind of all curing Blue Star ointment.

I'm sorry, but your post was very soft on specifics. I want exacting terms, not platitudes. Up to the challenge?:-)

blew off NAACP for taping O'Reilly he proved he doesn't have the instincts that are needed to beat this crowd of thugs.

You seem under the impression people here are looking at people here are looking for someone who's policies are right. they aren't. Joeseph Lieberman isn't so bad, but he's also not really a fighter. We need someone who will stand up and fight Bush, Lieberman is too much of a gentleman, he won't get his hands dirty, and the rpeublicans are in the slime chin-deep. We just can't win with someone like him.

I just don't like vicious attacks that people launch on him and the double standard that Lieberman faces.

I consider that more menacing than his votes on things. He gives ammunition to the repukes. Why do you bother?

1. No personality (what the hell were you thinking, Gore??)
2. A cartoon character voice----I even want to slap him.
3. A garden gnome
4. Yep, we have wild nutcase Christians and Muslims that are hated and tracked in the US of A and we're going to throw a Jew in the mix-----that's real bad timing.
5. He makes Tweety's love afair with Bush's crotch look like a real juvenile crush.

I love it thanks for he laugh.

That's what he looks like to me.

On February 3rd there are a lot of southern states in play.

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he hails from there and knows what these people want and better more he speaks their language on important issues!

Lieberman's only strong state is Florida, which Graham can handle better.

has (what were the figures?) 18? 12? percent of the demo votes
anyway, in first place in SC

Really what the hell was Gore thinking? If Lieberman hadn't gained name recognition in 2000 we wouldn't even have to talk about him now.

i never thought candidates actually did the picking of their running mates

that their running mates are imposed on them by the party bosses

someone wish to set me straight on this?

rnc e`mail..they think joe a real leader for the democrats..he agreed with bush about the war..so joe`sok with them!!!! need anyone doubt how bad joe is..the repubs like him.....

They'll set Joe up for the Chimpster to mow him down in a landslide.

won't vote Lieberman because, frankly, he's Jewish.

but more anti-Catholic except for LA

I live in the South and face it on an almost daily basis.

I see and hear anti Semitic remarks on a daily basis. I rarely did on the upper east coast.

before he drops out?

They know who he is since he ran for VP in 2000, but they don't seem to know much about him--or even to care.

are not the solution". A quote from Joe's recent speech buys into the the perception that Dems are weak on defense. How's that for damage?

www.joe2004.com

What were you thinking Joe????

. I won't cry when he goes or when the dlc's people have to find new jobs.

Dukakis won Super Tuesday in 1988 (he got more delegates than anyone else) by winning Texas, Florida, and either Louisianna or Georgia. He did that with a coalition of migrated Northeasterners (FL), Jews (all three), and Hispanics (all three). Lieberman could have done the same thing but for Graham's presence in the race.

Senator Graham will do well in the South.

Also, Dick Gephardt will do very well there because he will have lots of union money which he will wisely spend spotlighting his Ant-Nafta and Anti-Taking-Jobs-Off-Shore record which will resonate with Southerners.

The liberal urban centers in the South will be voting for Howard Dean.

Lieberman's no show at the NAACP really cost him dearly and will also hurt him in the Southern Primaries.

I think when the Super Tuesday is over and the dust has settled, Joe Lieberman will be faced with either exiting graciously (which he is incapable of doing), sticking it out to the end (which he will also be incapable of doing without money or matching funds) or dropping out and continue to try and steal attention away from the remaining candidates every chance he can.

Lieberman will not place even third in any of the Southern Primaries. Not one.

They love him!

Joe does not buy the Reagan 11th commandment - say nothing in primary against others than will hurt them if they get into the General.

Joe is ready to tear down the Dem party and elect Bush if he does not get the nod.

Lieberman, who says that Dems are moving too far left, would be a disaster for America.
Then it would truly be the "United States of Israel" and the neocon Christian right would rule
as taskmasters. If we don't get an honest Democrat elected, we should just let Bush have it
and let the house come tumbling down on his head. We can pick up the pieces after his last term and
be in control for the next 20 years!

In fact I can't think of where he has credibility, but that's a discussion for another day.

Buchanan consistently over estimates the general right-wingnutedness (is that a word) of the american voter.

I think that given the choice between a republican and (how does Al Sharpton say it?)an elephant wearing an donkey suit, most people pick the republican. While I recognize that the economy, and the fact that unemployment is having an effect amongst white collar workers, might leave some conservative/centrist voters looking for a viable alternative to W, I think you still got to worry about the base. Now, when it comes to the general election I am firm "anybody but Bush man" and I would vote for Lieberman, but I would be holding my nose. Others, I am sure, couldn't do it and Ralph Nader would have larger constituency than he did in the last election. Many would simply stay home. If the pundits saying that the electorate has become too consevative to elect a traditional Democrat then W. wins, period. Lieberman cannot change this.

I like Kerry, what can I say I am a center leaning liberal from Massachusetts. Well maybe leaning is too strong a word, let's say a slight list to the center. However, I am starting to warm up to Dean. It may be that the best strategy is to eschew standard liberal/conservative labels and run as an outsider. Dean, clearly, is the only candidate who could pull that off.

and he can kiss my royale american arse.

This is a good thing.

I bet he does wind up being the nominee..