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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:28 PM
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Edwards only 4 points behind Leiberman for lead in SC!!!!!!!!
http://americanresearchgroup.com/sc/

Lieberman Loses Ground Among Democrats in South Carolina,
As Nearly Half of Likely Democratic Primary Voters Continue to Remain Undecided

While remaining in the lead, Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman has lost ground in ballot preference among likely Democratic primary voters in South Carolina according to a survey by the American Research Group. A total of 14% of likely Democratic primary voters in South Carolina say they would vote for Lieberman and 48% say they are undecided. Ballot preference for Lieberman was at 22% in January and 19% in April.

These results are based on 600 completed telephone interviews among a statewide random sample of registered voters in South Carolina saying they would definitely vote in the Democratic presidential preference primary. The interviews were conducted August 2 through 6, 2003. The theoretical margin of error for the total sample of 600 is plus or minus 4 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split.

In a ballot preference Lieberman leads with 14%. He is followed by John Edwards at 10%, Dick Gephardt at 8%, John Kerry at 6%, Howard Dean at 5%, and Al Sharpton at 4%.
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Febuary 2nd will be Edwards day!!!

He's really climbing in SC, AZ, NM, and OK, which are all on that day

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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:30 PM
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1. I can't believe Lieberman is still beating him in his own state
It's probably just name recognition, but Christ, Lieberman is worthless.

I hope the good people of South Carolina wake up soon.

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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:35 PM
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2. Edwards represents North Carolina
although he was born in SC

and it is name recognition. Edwards is going to win it
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:36 PM
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3. I hope Edwards buries Lieberman
and bring to an end this miserable campaign.
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MiltonLeBerle Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:43 PM
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4. That's funny.
A Jew from New England is beating the good ol' southern boy next door.
And neither one of them will be topping the ticket in Nov 2004.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:50 PM
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5. It's good to see Edwards gain some ground.
He's got the most SC endorsements of any candidate, so it's good to see those endorsements paying off.

This is going in the direction it should.

Lieberman is a non starter. I think we can all agree on that.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:54 PM
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7. This is excellent news! Edwards is going to surprise a lot of people.
Except once they really look at him, they won't be surprised when he moves to the front of the pack.

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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 06:54 PM
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6. So a guy gains 4 points on a candidate who could not get the
Democratic Nomination even if he had Bush*s 200 million to buy a pesonality and a platform.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:14 PM
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8. Put A Fork In Lieberman-He's Done
He's George Bush without the big belt buckle.
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DemPopulist Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:24 PM
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9. If Edwards Kills Off Lieberman,
wil that help him with liberals? I've read about the '76 campaign and how Jimmy Carter burying the George Wallace threat made him more paltable to progressived Dems (though he still wasn't their first choice).
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:28 PM
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11. I hope so
Edited on Thu Aug-07-03 07:29 PM by Sophree
Go Edwards! I think that he will win the SC Primary, while Dean and Kerry are busy squawking at each other in the Northeastern ones, they'll split the vote between themselves.

Edwards' campaign message is very populistic, so I can see why you might like him, DemPopulist. Welcome to DU! :hi:

edit spelling
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:45 PM
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17. You're wrong on Dean and Kerry.
Dean is pulling ahead of Kerry strongly. He's way ahead of him in Iowa, and has finally pulled into the lead in NH. I see both of those states going to Dean giving him enough of a push to go strong into Feb 2nd.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:48 PM
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18. But Kerry hasn't revved it up yet.
None of the candidates have, except Dean. Dean's been working Iowa since he was governor. He has been working very hard, but the others have laid low. Methinks.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:55 PM
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19. It's Easy When You Don't Have A Dayb Job
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 10:53 PM
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29. IMHO, that's just one more positive for Dean
He can devote his full time and energy to campaigning for President while the Senators and Representative cannot due to responsibilities in D.C..
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 10:28 PM
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26. I think alot of the Kerry and Edwards supporters have a common
interest in discouraging people for voting for Dean. At least at all of the young and college democrats meetings I've been to in MA and FL, and a few smaller democratic events I've been to, the Dean people seem to be pushing away the respect of people who don't happen to support Dean, and it will cost them when candidates start dropping out, and believe me Edwards and Kerry will not be among the first

I predict that Edwards will soon be considered among the top 4(with Kerry, Dean, and Gephardt), who will collectively move far above the other candidates.

And the nom will either be Edwards or Kerry
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 07:12 AM
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36. Bombtrack, I completely concur with your analysis.Edwards & Kerry.
It's going to come down to Edwards and Kerry in the primaries. And that's a terrific choice to face.
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DemPopulist Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:05 AM
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33. Thanks!
I've been supporting Edwards since Gore dropped out for that very reason.

:hi: yourself!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:33 PM
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15. Right
He rid the party of George Wallace.

You're a young man or woman


I was there. I was eighteen at the time. Jimmy Carter's campaign was a thing of beauty.

George Wallace used to say "send them a message"

Jimmy Carter said "Don't send them a mesage, send them a president."
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DemPopulist Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:19 AM
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35. I was born in '76...
and that campaign's always interested me. I saw Carter's acceptance speech on C-SPAN once and it seemed like the convention had a really great, unified atmosphere that year. Same vibe I got from the '92 Clinton convention. I see Edwards as in the tradition of JFK, Carter, Clinton, Gore - all my favorites. I wish he had more experience and I disagreed with him on the war, but I think he's the best we've got this year.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:02 AM
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37. Carter
was cool.

He quoted Bob Dylan during his convention speech that "America is a country busy being born not dying."

Southern Democratic Populism is a worthy tradition.

Carter, Clinton, Gore.....


I would like to see John Edwards carry that mantle.

He's one of us....
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:27 PM
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10. go johnny go!
It was just a matter of time before his campaign took off, lieberman could only hold on for so long in the south...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:30 PM
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12. This is really good news
Means Democrats are rejecting conservatism. Yeah!!!
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:32 PM
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13. Southern dems at that, LOL! n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:36 PM
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16. we are rejecting conservatism
in the name of populism that is finely tuned to be acceptable to the broadest swatch of the electorate.
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TheBigGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:00 PM
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20. Populism IS a southern political tradition...
...so rather than some Yankee the Carolinians are repsonding to a "local" politician operating in a familiar political style.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:07 PM
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22. yes
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:01 PM
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21. Great sentence.
*applause*
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Donny247 Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 07:32 PM
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14. Check out his new ads!
Edwards is the one to watch. Here's why:

http://www.johnedwards2004.com/television-ads.asp
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:22 PM
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23. wow, nice ads there Senator Edwards
to the point, short, but good. Holy Joe Blow can pack it up and head home :evilgrin:
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 11:35 PM
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32. Edwards ads are great.
Thanks for the link!
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:44 PM
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24. its anyones ballgame in SC
the fact that northerners Kerry and Dean are only four to five points behind native son neighbor Edwards shows how close it is. But to Edwards credit he is finally showing life in this neigboring state and Leiberman is crashing. I think Edwards could pull out a victory here but alot will depend on how he does in Iowa and NH.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:49 PM
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25. Edwards is golden in SC. And he'll beat expectations in NH and Iowa.
I'm so excited. He's starting to take off.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:08 AM
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40. Edwards has little to no chance in SC.
He has very little organization here and the majority of the "in the loop" Democrats are leaning towards Kerry.

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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:17 PM
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43. Is that why he's got more endorsements from SC politicians
than every other canidate combined? Or raised more money there than every other candidate combined?

democrats want to be able to actually work for a candidate in the presidential race and for SC dems that requires a candidate who would make their state at least marginally competative. That's why Edwards is the candidate they support
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:55 PM
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46. Edwards has more SC endorsements than all other candidates combined
From elected officials in SC.
It is delusional to think Kerry will beat Edwards in SC.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 10:42 PM
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28. not too much
a close 4th in each would'nt be enough, and 3rd in either would be outstanding. I think he could beat Gephardt for third in new hampshire, and I think that Dean and Kerry will be virtually tied for 2nd in Iowa, closely after gephardt, so the close 4th will be doable there

The RW elites are definetely doing everything they can to obstruct his campaign

This news was only reported in a political wire, of course, but the 2 stories a day about how bad his campaign is doing will probably continue to come no matter what.

When he won the 1st quarter fundraising battle, it wasn't a big story anywhere, but ofcourse when Dean did it, he becomes practically the declared winner and has nonstop coverage
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 10:30 PM
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27. he's gotta win in SC
no question about it
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 11:01 PM
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30. Lieberman is in te lead?!?!? Are people in SC fucking retarded?
Another reminder why I can't stand the South.
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 11:34 PM
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31. And Edwards has not even advertised in SC
Edwards probably has about 100% of the people who know who he is. Once the people of SC know that he was born there and is from a Southern family who worked in mills, he will crush the other candidates. Lieberman living on the fumes of 2000. And you know what living on fumes will do for you?
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:04 AM
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38. What a bigoted remark.
Look at the latest CNN/USA/Gallop poll. Lieberman also is the leader in that one...which I think, gasp! includes fucking northerners.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:08 AM
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39. "I Can't Stand The South"
Try winning an election without us.

Compare politics to a footbal game. If a team is one dimensional their opponents can capitalize on it.

You need b-a-l-a-n-c-e.


If a team has a great running game and a poor passing game all the opposing defense has to do is bring up the defensive backs to stuff the run but if a team has a balanced passing and running game the defense has to cover the entire field.

If we cede the South to the Pukes they can focus on some of the Blue States where they are weak.

If the Dem candidate for pres isn't competitive in the south and border states you might as well just annoint Son of a Bush.
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:26 AM
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42. I'm aware that we have to
pander to the insanity of the south to win. That doesn't mean I have to like it. As a born/raised Texan, I am quite comfotable in saying that the south, aside from a couple of islands of civilization is a total cultural gutter. I say that not from afar, but from a lifetime of experience. California and the northeast have got their share of idiots, but it is not the norm. Living on the flaccid dangling tip of the south (Miami) I can hardly wait to move back to CA.
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:09 AM
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41. I live in SC, have never been polled and plan on voting for Dean
and nearly every Dem I associate with in SC is voting for Dean. So actually I dont give the poll or whatever it is much credibility.

And having lived in the South for the past 7 years after living in CA for the 19 before that.... every state and region of this country has it's ups and downs. The inland empire in CA is more Republican i think now a days than SC. So keep you f***ing generalizations to yourself.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:21 PM
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44. So polls are bull right?
I guess Dean doing so well in NH and IO polls should just be dismissed right? Oh thats right, those polls serve your interests

typical Dean supporter
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:14 AM
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34. Excellent news.
I don't want to see Lieberman win a single state.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:23 PM
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45. Is there going to be a SC primary?
Aren't there money problems? Have they been solved?
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