what if Arnold Schwarzenegger turns out to be a flaming liberal

and Republican in name only. So he likes businesses he claims. Good for him. I'm a member of my local chamber of commerce and on its board of directors. I like businesses. I hate the regressive car tax too.

But he's pro-choice, pro-public education etc. The only positions we know that he has are just as liberal as ours. Oh, and by the way, he was never a nazi and has donated generously to holocaust memorials for many years.

I never knew he supported public education, though; I do know he's pro-choice and pro-gay-rights. Do yuo have a link about that public education thing, btw?

I still like Arianna Huffington more, anyway, although every day that passes make the Terminator look better and better. While if the election is between him and Davis (i.e. he'll certainly win the replacement but the recall is close), I'll hold my nose and vote Davis, given the information I now have, and while my favorite replacement candidates are Camejo and Arianna, I'll vote for him if it's a close election between, say, him and Simon.

I dont have a link but I doubt he will be that bad, its just the ignorance of people who think he would do a better job of fixing the government than a career politican.

public school prgrams. IT was sponsored by him.

They've got something on him.

They'll let him say liberal stuff -- it will help him get elected.

But next year he'll get a call from Washington, making him an offer he cannot refuse.
And the BFEE will Own our voting machineZ.

but Arnold or Riordan would be liveable compared to Simon or McClintock

I frankly think he's undereducated and not fit to be governor, but when push comes to shove, he has over a decade of public service under his belt including a national appointment by Reagan a few years back When it boils down to it, he's done MORE public service than Bush ever did before he became president.

I would prefer as I said to avoid the dirty tricks. I think they will backfire.

The issue should be, there is NO guarantee he would BE governor and the issue should be a referendum on Bush who isn't popular in California even among Republicans to some degree.

father was secretary of treasury under Nixon, pretty right wing.
Tell me about this McClintock, Riordian and Arnold wouldnt be hell I agree.

Hails from the same district that found the officers in the Rodney King case not guilty (just as a clue) sprking the greatest racial unrest in California since the Watts Riots of the 60's.

And even though he may not be as hard core as other Republicans, I still don't think he has the background to be a decent Governor. I'm sorry, I just don't think he's the man for it.
Give the man with experience the job- oh yeah, that's Gray Davis who, golly gee wiz, already WON reelection LAST year :eyes:

They way I see it:

Dems had slavery- decimated their party- and came back- EVENTUALLY- after that racist Wilson- via Roosevelt.

Teddy Roosevelt was the best Republican- and that wasn't saying much (refused to meet with Mother Jones).

Hoover really did blacken the Repukes' image - they needed to get beyond it, and would have, I suppose, but for..

Nixon (actually, if he weren't a Nazi and war criminal, he'd have been more liberal on social programs than Clinton), Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, ...

Why associate with garbage like that?

...have been calling for someone, ANYONE on the Rethuglican side to come to their senses, step forward, and present a non-neocon face (and, hopefully, platform).

Well, looks like Ahnuld may be the one to do it. Can't say that I'd like to see him as Governor, but look at this way; he's already put Issa out of the race, and there's probably not a single wingnut out there that can match him. So he's already had what I'd call a positive impact on this whole farce.

... our forests to extensive clearcutting... and our elections to widespread fraud?

All I know about Arnie's politics is that he's a Republican. With Republicans controlling just about everything else in this nation, one of the few checks on their power we have left is in our state governments. I'm not going to entrust that role to another Republican.

Reagan was elected after his movie career was long over, and on name recognition and bonhomie alone he won.

Pro-gay rights, pro-choice, pro-after school programs. The Republicans must be furious. It's like Riordan 15 years younger and much more popular and recognizable. No wonder Issa was crying.

I'm not about to vote for the guy. I'll vote no on the recall and yes on Bustamante (whom I've wanted to be governor for about 4 years now). We need a Democrat to appoint Democrats.

Whatever the hell that means.

(snip)
From what we've hear, the Republican hierarchy -- especially those close to former Gov. Pete Wilson -- would favor Schwarzenegger. At least that's the word that came out of the Bohemian Grove this past weekend, where a number of state and national GOPers, including presidential adviser Karl Rove, happened to have gathered at a club getaway.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/23/BA253080.DTL
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archivebohemiangrove.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=Cheney+Reagan+%22Bohemian+Grove%22

It happened in Texas and now Rove is at it again.

You Left Coasters had better start taking this for the serious situation it is. You CANNOT allow a Repug. to win this...period.
This is a line that has got to be held here and now.

Of course we can. It's probable that we should not, but we always can.

So, let me rephrase my question: why Californians must not allow a Republican to win?

1. Although it doesn't give Bush CA on a silver platter, it does give a lot of free advertising to Bush.
2. I'll repeat this one, because it's quite important: this is a psychological battle. If the Republicans win, it will demoralize the Democrats and give the Republicans a fresh boost of confidence for 2004. Gray Davis won reelection fair and square and has done nothing deserving to be kicked out of office. This isn't what's best for California; this is about Republicans taking down canidates they don't like even if they win their elections.
So basically, if Davis loses and there's a Republican governor for 2004, it's an embarassment to the Dems.

he would appoint a puke -Plan A

AS doesn't give a shit about rove. As far as I can tell, he's removed from that swill.

rove could be strong-arming him for all we know...

move.

There is nothing about this scene that has the stench of rove on it... and, the kennedy's aren't in bed with the bush regime.

kennedy. EVERYONE wants to ride along on his coat-tails.

Watch carefully to see who HE allows himself to be aligned with. A lot of folks are going to try very hard to create alliances with him, and it's best to sit back and see what he does.

Remember, he worked for Bush I as fitness tzar, or whatever the hell his title was.

http://www.newsday.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=sns-ap-recall-bush§ion=%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwire

Bush May Consider Schwarzenegger Support

By SCOTT LINDLAW
Associated Press Writer
August 7, 2003, 7:22 PM EDT
CRAWFORD, Texas -- President Bush is leaving the door open to campaigning for California Republican gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger if it could help tip the balance in a close recall election, officials said Thursday.
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The White House is also trying to calculate the impact on Bush's re-election campaign next year. California carries 55 electoral votes, the most of any state.

Duf Sundheim, chairman of the California Republican Party, said he had told White House officials the recall could give the president a major boost in a state Bush lost decisively in 2000.
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EXCELLENT point .... and quite rational, considering that Arnold's policy thrusts have been ANTI GOP: ..... even his Afterschool program legislation was essentially a public spending program ..... I dont think he will go down real well with the rank and file GOP, who will DEFINITELY have to hold their nose if they vote for him .....

With Arnold: .... We have to worry about DEMOCRATS voting for him, since I would believe he will be 'damaged' with the GOP by revelations in this campaign that he is loose with the public purse, and his policies anathema to conservative 'values' .... I expect the other GOP candidates will be gunning for him on this .....

His talk has been populist, and his saying he will represent the 'people', is hardly a clarion call for the right wing .....

I think his GREATEST trouble will be with the right, and OUR greatest problem will be with the center .... One thing that will help him is that Simon represents the right on the ballot: .. and he is a proven loser .... McClintock has decent right wing bona fides (if you can use the term decent), but is relatively unknown ....

And dont forget this: .... hard core GOP will ALWAYS be wary of Arnold, since he is related by marriage to the liberal demon: Teddy ... they hate that ...

I don't think he's bad (Hell, of the people I know about, he's my 4th favourite candidate next to Camejo, Huffington, and Flynt...Will probably be 5th if I learn more about Bustamante...) but there have been right-wing populists before.

Yes, he is untested and might not be, but, he does have and alternative styled life that is rather open and will come out.

Arnold is going to win. Democratic wife, Centrist, give him a try mentality, upsettedness at government mentality. Larry Flynt running would help assure it. Educated. Determined. Unbeholding to special interests. Outsider. Funny. Likeable. Underdog newcommer. Socially progressive.

It's about '04. Otherwise, Arnold would not be a good choice.

SO, could we not run against Arnold and instead run an information blitz on anti-Republicanism. It might keep a yellow underdog (Davis), or if Arnold wins it might move him to be against Bush and the RW Republicans.

Sure, California can upset the government by blaming Davis for:
. REPUBLICAN: Pete Wilson Enron styled deregulation crammed into states nationwide,
. REPUBLICAN: stonewalling energy caps(for a year!) making the California deficit grow while slowing energy flow,
. REPUBLICAN: stonewalling energy information(using Republican appointed judges) thus hiding just how the California deficit arose,
. REPUBLICAN: low restitution to be made by offending energy companies keeping the California deficit intact for their recall politics,
. REPUBLICAN: high nationwide unemployment,
. REPUBLICAN: tech bubble bursting(starting with Bush's run, plummeting when he won),
. REPUBLICAN: nationwide recession,
. REPUBLICAN: passing out so-called tax-cuts cutting confidence in the U.S. dollar and raising federal indebtedness to be paid later with compound interest,
. REPUBLICAN: federal unfunded mandates feds no longer can pay and you can no longer afford, like Homeland Security,
. REPUBLICAN: underplanned wars that drain resources.

Or, you upset the Republican buffoons trying to steal CA for '04.

Include what we know of 9/11 also. Run against Republicans not against Arnold.

Just a suggestion.

he is a Dem running as a Pug - let him get elected then he can change his party affiliation. It's been done before - Mayor Bloomberg, etc. We had a state rep that switched to Pug because the Dems wouldn't support her. She got elected and when her term was up, switched back to Dem and ran for state senate and got elected.

I frankly like him and he also may win. But like all gov( or 48 states) they are in the hole and have no money. If you have no money something either must go or you have to get more money. It can not be any harder then your own house. We may not put out a bond but we do use cards and all must be paid back.

I frankly like him and he also may win. But like all gov( or 48 states) they are in the hole and have no money. If you have no money something either must go or you have to get more money. It can not be any harder then your own house. We may not put out a bond but we do use cards and all must be paid back.

That is he is an absolutist. He believes he has knowledge of absolute right and wrong. This is what makes him so popular on the right and so dangerous to the left. His belief that he has this knowledge means he is less capable of considering other ideas. He will be less tolerant of cultural values and tend to railroad people.

I don't give a shit if he supports after school programs and abortions. He'll suck up to Bush, be ADORED by the masses as a "celebrity governor" like Jesse Ventura, and wind up holding a Senate seat that should be Democcratic for the next 30 years.

Please, JUST SAY NO! to Ah-nold

Please

He is more liberal than gray davis darlin.

The most liberal Republican in the Senate still votes for Bill Frist and keeps Trent Lott in charge of a committee. As governor, Schwartzenegger will have tremendous influence and the ability to help his buddies in the White House. His "liberalism" (which I consider questionable) is beside the point. ANYTHING that helps the Bush Cabal maintain power is alien to me. I don't care if he is a celebrity. Don't care if he's liberal. Don't care if he supports gay marriage or abortion or anything else. If he helps maintain Republicans in power, he is my enemy.

He's already been annointed. Yesterday's Inside Politics was a 30 minute Ah-nold love-fest. We either need to wake up and fight or, just roll over and let him do to us what Bush has already done so well. And I, for one, am tired of being f****d by Republicans.

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HE'LL BE A REPUG TOOL. THEY ALL GOOSE-STEP TO BUSH.

Was Pete Wilson a 'flaming liberal'?!

:wtf:

There are a lot of other issues out there besides abortion and public education, and odds are good the Arnold is down-the-line conservative on all of them. He's a Republican after all.

Vote No on the recall and vote for Bustamante as the replacement!

--Peter

I know, he's a repug, but he's just a likeable guy!

And I think it's great for people outside of politics to get involved with politics. It makes the average joe get out and get interested. Heck, even my little brother, who is ignorant when it comes to politics, actually asked me to explain what was going on in California.

The few statements he's already made in this "campaign" are deeply objectionable & intellectually dishonest.

The recall only exists for the most anti-democratic of reasons -- it's basically another rightwing-inspired coup d'etat. The excuse for it is that California has a budget disaster, but there is no fair way to argue that this is Davis's fault. In fact, a good bit of it is the direct fault of Bush-Cheney-Enron, which cost the state tens of billions 2 years ago. (This topic remains off-limits in the public debate about the recall, for some "strange" reason.)

Arnold however is showing that he's delighted to run -- in an election that is anti-democratic. If he understood or cared about the principles of democracy he wouldn't have an approving attitude towards the recall in the first place. And he's going along with the idea that the budget disaster is Davis' fault -- a dishonest position.

Add this to someone who's been willing to be publicly identified as a Republican, who campaigned for Poppy Bush, & is very pro-business and anti-taxation... I don't see how anyone can view it positively, even if you liked his movies.

Many of the responses to Arnold's campaign in this thread are truly astounding.

:crazy:

Thanks for posting this, RichM.

--Peter

Arnold Schwarznegger in "TERMINATOR `03: I'll Be Back in the Governor's mansion"

"...errr, Arnie, you've never been to the Governor's mansion..."

...

"You see they are trying to keep it from me. I will terminate `dem"

a man who drives a Hummer should not be Gov of Calif.

"Arnold however is showing that he's delighted to run -- in an election that is anti-democratic. If he understood or cared about the principles of democracy he wouldn't have an approving attitude towards the recall in the first place. And he's going along with the idea that the budget disaster is Davis' fault -- a dishonest position."

Very well said, I couldn't agree more. The very fact that he's entering shows a lack of respect for the democratic process and it will forever taint him.

I can guarantee he wants to deregulate business and help them pay less taxes and pay workers less. Arnold is no liberal.

I would hope Maria Shriver wouldnt still be married to such a right-wing nutcase, ya know?

I still say Arnie will only prove himself in a debate.

that's the problem. We need someone accountable to us--who is afraid of being abandoned by us.

It's really no different than Michael Bloomberg, who's pretty liberal but has helped raise a gazillion dollars for the Republican Party and Bush since getting elected mayor.

Wouldn't he?

Which part of "Republicans are the enemy" is so hard to understand?

nt

Pro-choice and not anti-gay, yet not anti-business either? Sounds vaguely libertarian leaning, kind of like Ventura. This may or may not be a good thing.

The only answer I can come up with is that he believes in Republican ideas, so therefore he can't be a liberal. Perhaps he is really more of a Libertarian, but knows that he can't really have a political career in a third party, so he has opted for the party, which more closely resembles his political beliefs, the GOP.

It's only words...

Arnold is a fucking Republican..

He is a Republican and like ALL fucking Republicans...they instill their agenda and ideology.. deregulation, anti-unions, anti-public education, anti- new deal (social Security, unemployment insurance, minimum wage, Medicare) Republicans could give a fuck about the environment…let the corporations exploit the environment it’s good for business.

They fight consumer groups from taking on corporations by nominating right-wing judges...

It's more than, oh is this fun, it's Arnold...he's a fucking Republican and that's fact.

This is nothing more than rich Republicans paying for a recall to have their way they didn’t get via the election by the people last year. It’s plain and simply they have the money to change the election results.

Where he aligns himself with the women who clean houses to help support their families? What a great man, what a great liberal.