So in the future when our soldiers are tortured, what do we say?

that Lynndie England and her cohorts KNOW exactly how they contributed to that.

These "soldiers" will be directly responsible for much pain among their colleagues.

Anybody involved in the torture will be brought to justice.

I think that, in the long run, nothing will be done to these criminals. A year or two from now, they'll go before a military commission, and be exonerated very quietly, with a wink, wink, here and a nudge nudge there. I think I would rather tell our soldiers the truth, that no system is perfect, never has been and never will be, and no matter how we present ourselves, we are just as guilty of human rights violations as anyone else. Let them think about it and perhaps the entire society may start to change for the better.

And the first people that need to fear that is Bush and his band of thugs. Perhaps it's time for another round of Nuremberg trials and the first defendants should be Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al.

"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it.

And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."

(snip)

"The following acts, or any of them, are crimes coming within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal for which, there shall be individual responsibility:

(a) CRIMES AGAINST PEACE: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing."

(snip)

"No one excuses Germany for launching a war of aggression because she had grievances, for we do not intend entering into a trial of whether she had grievances.

If she had real grievances, an attack on the peace of the world was not her remedy.... Launching a war of aggression is a crime and ... no political or economic situation can justify it."


U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor at the Nuremberg Tribunals
August 12, 1945

The prosecution rests.

this is just the cost of war I guess. I am appalled at what the United States has done

but I don't think they will get away with it, at least not if Kerry is elected. There were probably worse things done in WW11 and Vietnam but the internet could not bring it to us immmeadiately. The * should be held accountable because he is the commander in chief, he owes the world an apology and a promise to prosecute to the fullest. He can not condem without accepting some responsibility.

... groan and cry in our shoes and be totally incensed that some Islamic savages dare to do those kinds of things to our fresh-faced, bright young men and women.

And we should be that way, because anyone who treats another human being that way is savage. Some of the troops fighting in Iraq on the side of the U.S. are savages.

It will be interesting to see if perhaps the Iraqis aren't quite as savage with their captives as the U.S. troops are with theirs. But, I'm not optimistic about that.

And the fault of every body in those pictures, and everybody who wasn't in those pictures but was involved anyway, and everybody who supported it, and everybody who said it wasn't really torture.