Right wing hypocrisy over Roman Catholicism

Yes, the Roman Catholic church is against abortion. It is also against the death penalty. How come we never hear talk in the corporate media about Republican Roman Catholic politicians who support the death penalty? And a big to-do over whether they should get communion or not?

Also - in terms of abortion, pro-choice is saying "the government will not get involved". In other words, a pro-choice politician has a passive role, depending on your perspective, no role. On the other hand, with the death penalty, the government takes an active role as an agent of death. Of a real live human being, not a fetus which the status of which is arguable.

How come the corporate media never talks about this?

If you invade Iraq, you go without God.

All the Catholic Church generally opposes capital punishment, it does allow for some leeway in cases in which the convict is deemed "a grave danger to society". So the situation is not always cut-and-dried due to the societal self-defense mechanism. Such is not the case in abortion, in which the violent action in always administered to a defenseless human being which in no way could represent a threat to society. That's the difference.

are all republicans. That is why they are so weird.

There is a huge progressive element in the ecclesiastical leadership. Abortion, however, is one of those things that is not up for discussion even by the most liberal bishops.

Most of the members of the Catholic hierarchy are not Americans, so I don't see how they could all be members of an American political party.

Have they heard about life without the possibility of parole?

I think the Christian right tends to downplay their differences with Catholicism for the "greater good" of the struggle against abortion, while the left tends to ignore their commonalities and highlight their adversarial position over abortion.

This is true in people I know, as well as what I see presented in the press. But it is just my observation.

If my recollections of the Roman Catholic Church are correct, it is doctrinally opposed to abortion. It is religious doctrine.

The current Pope, is opposed to things such as the death penalty, they are not a matter of Church Doctrine.

The next Pope could come in and claim that in keeping with their long tradition of pogroms and inquisitions, he had no problem with the death penalty, and it would mean just as much.

its the only way to shake up the sorry conservative white old boys club, and to those who say there is no precedent.



http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/PopeJoanHome.html

...electing a non-Italian pope for the first time in centuries. A Polish pope? So I don't see that happening any time soon. :-)

The Roman Catholic church is very good at not changing. I think Vatican II will be the final word in major changes for quite a while. A lot of stuff that should have been jettisoned was, like some possibly, or actually quite openly anti-Protestant and anti-semetic stuff. Only emergencies, like a pedophelia scandal will cause any changes for a while I think.

The changes they made in Vatican II were too much for people like Mel Gibson's father. I hear a lot that Gibson is Catholic, but I'm not sure he is in the RC church under church law. Bishops in the breakaway sect he's in have been excommunicated, and I think Mel doesn't believe the current pope is the real pope as he's a sedevacantist. I'm not sure of his opinions actually. But he is in a sect which might not be "in communion with Rome", he is certainly not within the RC mainstream, even the conservative RC mainstream.

sat through Clinton's impeachment while he had a mistress in his past. He brought in his friend who was another high and mighty K of C member to prosecute Clinton while this guy's mistress sat in the gallery. When I was young and attended mass it was odd that the fellow who sat his family in the front pew left church and went to run his car dealership even though the priest said we were not work on Sunday. The money he earned on Sunday bought that front seat so that could be overlooked. I think that's why they had "In God We Trust" put on the money, so they could pretend that's who they worship.

these apparentely are issues that supposedly no Catholic can even think of taking an opposing stance on. They are abortion, stem cell research, human cloning, euthanasia and gay marriage.

So abortion takes higher priority. frankly, my view is just "fuck the church". that's why I went Protestant.

But who really cares. I ignore them.

and they aren't campaigning to outlaw birth control.

but oh well, i just got a box of condoms today (for *gasp* pre-martial sex!), fuck them :)

KILLING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. The "pro-lifers" are apparently A-OK with THAT.