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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:04 AM
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Could Abe Lincoln win the presidency today?

Could Abe Lincoln win the presidency today?

By E.J. PERKINS
azcentral.com
May 1, 2004

If Abraham Lincoln, arguably the nation’s greatest president, ran for the White House today, could he win?

Conventional wisdom would argue: no way, dude.

Lincoln, like the proverbial duck out of water, would likely be incompatible with a political culture geared to superficial dogma and "telegenicity." Lincoln’s voice (squeaky) and physical appearance (awkward) by themselves would probably do him in.

This point of view is not wholly without merit. Here’s what Joshua Speed, a Lincoln contemporary, wrote in his "Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln" not long after observing the president give a speech.

"Mr. Lincoln’s person was ungainly. He was six feet four inches in height; a little stooped in the shoulders; his legs and arms were long; his feet and hands large; his forehead was high. His head was over the average size. His eyes were gray. His face and forehead were wrinkled even in his youth ... Generally he was a very sad man, and his countenance indicated it."
more ...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/weekend-coverstory.html

You decide

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:06 AM
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1. I'd have to agree
Edited on Sat May-01-04 11:12 AM by boloboffin
Lincoln wouldn't even be allowed onto the same platform as a hopeful presidential candidate.

UPDATE: However, after reading the article, I imagine that if Lincoln were allowed onto the platform, he'd win in a landslide. There's something about a sharp mind, a keen wit, and a genuine humility that turns homely looks into an endearing quality.
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:07 AM
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2. Lose the beard and
take medications to control the bipolar mood swings,

maybe.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:11 AM
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3. Abe Lincoln was the DK of his time
Even then alot of people had to be convinced that slavery was wrong. The new slavery is just as bad as the old slavery but the people still need to be convinced.

Abe Lincoln wouldn't be able to get past the media today.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:12 AM
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4. nope
he's not "presidential" by today's standards. And somehow, curious george is. :crazy:
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:20 AM
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5. You are missing the point of this article...
Fast forward the 140 years ... you have a candidate with the "qualities" of Lincoln! .. and all you can say is "nope". Pardon me for my impatience but even you DU'rs take my breath away.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:24 AM
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6. Lincoln's Personal Life by Nathaniel Wright Stephenson
Edited on Sat May-01-04 11:25 AM by bigtree
http://www.bookrags.com/books/lsplf/PART5.htm

(excerpt)

So thought the men who, like Lincoln's latest law partner, William
H. Herndon, were not derivatives of Clary's Grove. The
Lincoln of these days was the only one Herndon knew. How
deeply he understood Lincoln is justly a matter of debate; but
this, at least, he understood--that Clary's Grove, in
attributing to Lincoln its own idea of leadership, was
definitely wrong. He saw in Lincoln, in all the larger
matters, a tendency to wait on events, to take the lead
indicated by events, to do what shallow people would have
called mere drifting. To explain this, he labeled him a
fatalist. The label was only approximate, as most labels are.
But Herndon's effort to find one is significant. In these
years, Lincoln took the initiative--when he took it at all--in a
way that most people did not recognize. His spirit was ever
aloof.
It was only the every-day, the external Lincoln that
came into practical contact with his fellows.

This is especially true of the growing politician. He served
four consecutive terms in the Legislature without doing
anything that had the stamp of true leadership. He was not
like either of the two types of politicians that generally made
up the legislatures of those days--the men who dealt in ideas
as political counters, and the men who were grafters without in
their naive way knowing that they were grafters. As a member
of the Legislature, Lincoln did not deal in ideas. He was
instinctively incapable of graft A curiously routine
politician, one who had none of the earmarks familiar in such a
person. Aloof, and yet, more than ever companionable, the
power he had in the Legislature--for he had acquired a measure
of power--was wholly personal. Though called a Whig, it was not
as a party man but as a personal friend that he was able to
carry through his legislative triumphs. His most signal
achievement was wholly a matter of personal politics. There
was a general demand for the removal of the capital from its
early seat at Vandalia, and rivalry among other towns was keen.
Sangamon County was bent on winning the prize for its own
Springfield. Lincoln was put in charge of the Springfield
strategy. How he played his cards may be judged from the
recollections of another member who seems to have anticipated
that noble political maxim, "What's the Constitution between
friends?" "Lincoln," he says, "made Webb and me vote for the
removal, though we belonged to the southern end of the state.
We defended our vote before our constituents by saying that
necessity would ultimately force the seat of government to a
central position; but in reality, we gave the vote to Lincoln
because we liked him, because we wanted to oblige our friend,
and because we recognized him as our leader."
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