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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 07:44 PM
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Entire Arab World Shows Torture Photos *EXCEPT*
you guessed it, Iraq.


don't ya just love that "democracy" we've given them :eyes:

(CNN) -- Graphic pictures showing the apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. and British soldiers in Iraq have angered Arabs across the world, as well as U.S. and British officials.

The images of U.S. soldiers' actions were first broadcast Wednesday by U.S. TV network CBS and then by Al-Arabiya network, based in the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar-based Al-Jazeera on Friday.

Newspapers across the Arab world ran the photographs of U.S. soldiers humiliating hooded, naked detainees at Abu Ghraib prison on their front pages. Newspapers in Iraq did not carry the photos.

The U.S. military said six soldiers have been charged with criminal offenses for abusing inmates at Abu Ghraib prison, which was infamous under Saddam Hussein's reign
...more
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 07:46 PM
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1. those pictures will still work their way into Iraq
these guys, for all their bluster and intimidation, are as inept as the Apple Dumpling Gang.
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belladonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 07:52 PM
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2. Oh, they've seen them
Edited on Sat May-01-04 07:53 PM by belladonna
Count on it, they probably saw them before we did. And even if they hadn't, they've known about what's gone on. Word has a way of getting around, even when you're being "liberated". :mad:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:17 PM
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4. somwhere else today I thought
I read that the 'insurgents' were reacting to this abuse more than the closing of that newspaper.

was I dreaming?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:02 PM
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3. riverbend. . .
Edited on Sat May-01-04 08:04 PM by stellanoir
has been reporting about invasively disrespectful raids resulting in unjustified arrests and, more recently of a young waif who's entire family had been incarcerated and beaten solely due to a false tip of an Iraqi neighbor who had held a grudge against her brother. The young waif was the only member of her family who had been released. Even her mother was still incarcerated. They had nothing to do with any so-called "insurgents' whatsoever.

We'll be paying for these attrocities for generations to come.
All thanks to *'s misleadership.

Ugh. . .

http://riverbendblog@blogspot.com

When I mentioned this report to a R/W in-law last month she blindly said,"Our troops would never do such things."

I only hope she's paying attention now. Am not going to rub her nose in it. I swear.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 09:42 PM
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8. "All anyone can talk about today are those pictures"
Edited on Sat May-01-04 09:43 PM by Minstrel Boy
Oh, Iraqis are seeing them, alright. Bremer can keep them out of the occupation-controlled papers, but not off of Al Jazeera or the Net.

"It’s beyond depressing and humiliating... my blood boils at the thought of what must be happening to the female prisoners. To see those smiling soldiers with the Iraqi prisoners is horrible. I hope they are made to suffer... somehow I know they won’t be punished. They’ll be discharged from the army, at best, and made to go back home and join families and cronies who will drink to the pictures and the way 'America’s finest' treated those 'Dumb I-raki terrorists.'"
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:34 AM
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14. After being discharged they with return to their jobs...
raping Americans in prisons across this land with no fear
of being caught because everyone knows that Americans never
do anything like that here.

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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:33 PM
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5. Wow, does Sinclair own the station?
Those pictures were horrible. They were totally humiliating those people with the threat of who knows what. It couldn't have been death because these people would rather die than be humiliated.

We ought to change our POW treatment to the way the Iraqis handle their POWs albeit American, British, Australian, other Iraqi but from a different tribe, etc. Once captured, slit their throat.

I know that sounds brutal but brutal is as brutal does. (slight sarcasm).
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 09:36 PM
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6. So, showing the photos will inflame the anti-Americanism around the world
Right? What good will that do? What purpose would that serve that you would support? I don't need a lecture about how sick and depraved the actions of these soldiers were. Just explain to me how showing these pictures in the Iraqi media will serve any good purpose with our troops still in the field, the majority of whom would not engage in this type of behavior.

Tit-for-tat? Is that it? Where do you draw the line when our soldiers are at risk? Would Arabs or Muslims be justified in retaliating against random Americans because of their feelings about these prison atrocities?

I think it is more responsible to avoid inflaming passions that could put Americans at risk while at the same time prosecuting the offenders at the full extent of our law. Our soldiers, our law.

Retaliation might extend beyond Iraq. Do we really want to facilitate that by broadcasting these images? Enough is enough. What purpose does feeding these images to Iraqis serve for an American concerned with the safety of our soldiers and citizens?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:02 AM
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17. I suppose the Nazis would have used the same excuse during WWII?
I can just hear them now.

"What good comes of the whole world knowing what we are doing in these death camps? Shouldn't we be more concerned with the safety of our soldiers and citizens?"

Think about it.

Don

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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 09:39 PM
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7. There is an invention called the satellite
Came out a couple decades ago, even in Iraq!

Trust me, plenty of Iraqis have seen the pictures. Plenty.

Which makes me ask you though, do you want them to see it? So they'll want to kill more of our sons and daughters?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 09:47 PM
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10. You can't put the
toothpaste back in the tube. Judging from the violence that has been going on over there and the fact that the government has had those pictures since at least December, the Iraqi's have had them since then also.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:36 AM
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15. Yes they should see it.
Our sons and daughters should leave now before the
nation is dishonored any further by this immoral crusade.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 09:46 PM
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9. A computer and a laser printer = instant street newspaper.
And don't be surprised if the mosques start broadcasting the news. Bremmer really should be thinking "Where do I want them to hear it from?" rather than "How can I keep this quiet?".
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 10:26 PM
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11. Now we gatta worry about our troops in their hands.
Its "Save the last bullet time".
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:21 PM
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12. Yet Iraqis are better informed than Americans about
their sufferings at the hands of US forces.

Patrick Cockburn, in The Independent:

"A year after President George Bush famously declared "major combat" in Iraq over, how is it that so many Iraqis now have such a visceral hatred of Americans? One reason is that the photographs of brutality and humiliation of Iraqi detainees by British and American troops, which have so shocked the rest of the world and angered Arab countries, have come as little surprise to Iraqis. For months it has been clear to them that the occupation is very brutal; for weeks they have been watching pictures of the dead and injured in Fallujah on al-Jazeera satellite television which CNN did not broadcast."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=517306

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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:25 AM
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13. Kuwait
I have a Kuwaiti buddy. He never even heard of the torture pics until he called me yesterday. He sounded shocked and disappointed.

Side point: He also said he and his family don't watch al Jazeera anymore. "Its as bad as Fox News," he told me.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:40 AM
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16. You can't wrap fire in paper. (n/m)
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